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Old 01-26-2013, 08:21 PM   #1
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Poor Sealing of CPR Rottweiler Filter-Anyone Else Notice This?

When I pulled the CPR filter off for cleaning, I noticed a trail of dirt/dust along the RF corner. Since the tanks were off, I was able to get a good look at the area with the filter back in place-



The outside edge of the ear that has the Dzus fastener is contacting the base plate, instead of fitting over it, and it has warped the filter frame, and allowed a gap for dirt to enter.
It appears that the crankcase vent one-way valve, which is mounted in the hole provided for it, is just a bit too close to the sealing area, and contacts the filter frame, not allowing it to sit squarely on the base-



I tried to gently bend that portion of the ear, but it just broke the edge off. At least it was able to fit over the base that way, although it was still warped a bit-



I'll clamp the area, and see if the parts will eventually return to their normal shape-



There really isn't much room to move the valve in any further, as there is already very little room to fit the hose to the valve- the clearance to the carb body is very small-



Has anyone else found this to be an issue?
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:10 PM   #2
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Sorry to hear about your problems. I know there was a recall on CPR's original base. Not sure why but this might explain it. Time to ring the reseller and ask I think
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:15 PM   #3
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Actually, that is the updated base. I was wondering how others mounted the one-way valve. The valve is built in two halves. screwed together. I unscrewed the valve, then fit them back together on the base plate.
The hole seems to be sized to mount it this way, except for the interference with the filter frame.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:13 PM   #4
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Ronski, looking at your first pic I seems that you may have overlooked line 13 in the instructions. It states "Do not force the filter down to the plate by pushing on it as this may damage the plastic tabs or break them. Rather “Pinch” them together gently and once the red part of the base of the filter is over the black plastic base you will be able to lock the “D” rings to the plate".
Our new plates are indestructable can no longer be damaged but it seams that you have managed to secure the D ring without the filter seated. This can only be done by force and we would recommend that you pull the filter securely to the right before you attempt to lock the D ring moving forward.
We apologize that you had this problem and can assure you that we are closing in on nearly 1000 units in use and have never seen this problem. Ever. If you would like to send us the unit we are happy to inspect the issue and replace any parts we feel may be in question. We stand behind our product 100% and are always available if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:12 AM   #5
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Ronski, looking at your first pic I seems that you may have overlooked line 13 in the instructions. It states "Do not force the filter down to the plate by pushing on it as this may damage the plastic tabs or break them. Rather “Pinch” them together gently and once the red part of the base of the filter is over the black plastic base you will be able to lock the “D” rings to the plate".
Our new plates are indestructable can no longer be damaged but it seams that you have managed to secure the D ring without the filter seated. This can only be done by force and we would recommend that you pull the filter securely to the right before you attempt to lock the D ring moving forward.
We apologize that you had this problem and can assure you that we are closing in on nearly 1000 units in use and have never seen this problem. Ever. If you would like to send us the unit we are happy to inspect the issue and replace any parts we feel may be in question. We stand behind our product 100% and are always available if you have any questions.

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How.does.one.know if they have a new plate or an old plate? Still have not installed mine that was a pre order.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:09 PM   #6
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Ronski, looking at your first pic I seems that you may have overlooked line 13 in the instructions. It states "Do not force the filter down to the plate by pushing on it as this may damage the plastic tabs or break them. Rather “Pinch” them together gently and once the red part of the base of the filter is over the black plastic base you will be able to lock the “D” rings to the plate".
Our new plates are indestructable can no longer be damaged but it seams that you have managed to secure the D ring without the filter seated. This can only be done by force and we would recommend that you pull the filter securely to the right before you attempt to lock the D ring moving forward.
We apologize that you had this problem and can assure you that we are closing in on nearly 1000 units in use and have never seen this problem. Ever. If you would like to send us the unit we are happy to inspect the issue and replace any parts we feel may be in question. We stand behind our product 100% and are always available if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
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OK, I will try again to explain the issue here.
I took the filter assembly off the bike, to better see what's happening.
With the filter mounted to the base plate, you can see the rear ear of the filter is fairly well centered on the ear of the base plate-



The front ears though, do not line up-



My concern was that the filter frame was contacting the breather valve, and not allowing it to center on the front portion of the base plate-



So I took the valve off the base plate, to see if that would allow the frame to fit better.
It looks the same to me, still not centered, which won't allow the filter to seal properly-



Looking through the valve mounting hole, it looks like there is plenty of clearance for the valve, so it seems like just a poor fit of the filter to the frame-



I would like to point out that following step 13 of the instructions is not very practical with the fuel tanks installed, since you can't really see underneath the base plate to verify the fit of the filter.
Of course, it would have been very helpful to have seen the instructions, but I didn't find any included with the original filter, or with the updated base plate.
At this point, with the interfering piece of the filter cracked off, the filter fits just fine, and am VERY pleased with the performance increase after some jetting work.
I was surprised that there were no jetting suggestions with the filter, but thankfully there were enough OC members working on their own jetting that were gracious enough to share their work.
If there were one suggestion I would make, it would be to angle the mounting hole for the breather valve, for greater clearance between the hose and the carb top-

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:39 AM   #7
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Looks to me there was some room for "downward" movement.

I guess the filter "lip" makes it hard. Maybe during installation, a plastic bag or something could help the base plate slide under the "lip" and over the sponge?

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Old 01-28-2013, 09:53 PM   #8
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Poor Sealing of CPR Rottweiler Filter-Anyone Else Notice This?
Yup, when I didn't quite line things up right and allow the back half to get seated all the way, the front dzus connectors wouldn't line up......

Once I got it seated right though, it seals up just fine
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:24 AM   #9
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Looks to me that the original intent of the post was not to bad mouth the product. Sounded like he was searching for someone with the same issue and a possible solution. Then the company jumps on the OP and insults his use of vise grips, if it were me I wouldnt be happy with that. just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:02 AM   #10
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Looks to me that the original intent of the post was not to bad mouth the product. Sounded like he was searching for someone with the same issue and a possible solution. Then the company jumps on the OP and insults his use of vise grips, if it were me I wouldnt be happy with that. just my 2 cents.

Thanks for understanding my intentions back at the beginning of all this.
Really.

BTW- This gentleman's post is what being helpful looks like, folks.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:50 AM   #11
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Good idea on the reflective insulating material, I didn't think of that.

NYLuke, reread CPR's first post. I think they said they stand behind their products 100%.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:15 AM   #12
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Jumpin Jeebus, Mototex, who could possibly take offense at such a well reasoned insult?

Here you go, an example of my ham-fisted techniques in action-

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=685497
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:13 PM   #13
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Jumpin Jeebus, Mototex, who could possibly take offense at such a well reasoned insult?

Here you go, an example of my ham-fisted techniques in action-

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=685497
Like I said, wasn't trying to ruffle feathers, but following this thread it seemed that emotion from a number of posts might have been taking precedence over getting to the solution.

Just pointing it out in hopes of you getting the bike back in action, that's all.

Please accept my apology if what I wrote came across differently than I intended. I'm just excited about the prospects of this filter, and from what I've seen in this thread the problem could very well have been caused during installation.

As for the ham-fisted aspect, I was really talking more from my experience than I was accusing you of being ham-fisted. I've made similar mistakes trying to "fix" something without taking the time to disassemble and ended up with similar results as your pictures show. No offense intended, other than to myself.

I remember reading that thread on the tank. Nice job!
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:57 PM   #14
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Is this so totally wrong?

According to this site:

http://rottweilerperformance.intuitw...keSystems.html

and also

http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....6&postcount=58

you both AdvRonski and CPRFAB are discussing the old type filter. The video is also displaying the old type filter. Is that so or am I imagining things?


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Old 01-27-2013, 12:07 AM   #15
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This particular filter style requires careful placement befoe you set the 1/4 turn fasteners.

The 1/4 turns float to allow for adjustment to fit correctly.
The downside is the receivers can slip into interference with the filter to filter base..

The only flaw I see is that a brass or AL fitting would be trimmer and not be as prone to interference..

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