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Old 02-07-2013, 05:54 PM   #1
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F700gs Touring 2 Up?

My better half and I am thinking about getting F700gs for our weekend getaway & a week summer vacation.

Conditions:

- Me: 5 ft 7 (=175cm) / 159lbs (=72kg)
- My wife: 5 ft 5 (=167cm) / 114lbs (=51kg)
- F700gs with BMW Aluminum Panniers & Top Case with maximum 33-44lbs (=15-20kg) of camping gears
- The top cruising speed we wish: 75 mile/h (=120km/h)
=> Without much of stress on a bike and hassle on me
- Driving condition: Tarmac 80 / Formed dirt roads 20 to find a camping site

Note:
- I do not intend to go serious off-road but I might want to use this bike for transcontinental trips of North America and Europe in the near future.

I’ve read many threads about F800gs for two-up but F700gs should be different. (Maybe more similar to F650 twin?)
A dealer recommends me R1200gs for 2-up, but considering our physical sizes, I think F700gs would handle my requirements. What do you guys think? Go with F700gs? Or R1200gs is worthy investment to make?
Also, I plan to have 10-15 minutes break after two hours of riding. (Should I take a break after one hour?)

I want to hear more about your thoughts, opinions, advice and experience etc.
If you have good seat recommendations (Airhawk?) please inform me.

Thank you very much!

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Old 02-07-2013, 09:01 PM   #2
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Is it the ideal bike? .. no (The dealer is right in recommending that the 1200 is a far better 2up tourer but I can see how you may feel it is too big and heavy for you to deal with)

Is it capable of what you describe? .. sure it is.

The best bike is the one you feel comfortable handling safely, because if you don't feel safe on the bike, you wont ride it, and if you buy a bike and don't ride it.. you're just a twat.

People will chip in with ideas to improve it but in summary, yes its capable, so if you feel in control and it makes you happy, go for it.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:17 PM   #3
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Is it the ideal bike? .. no (The dealer is right in recommending that the 1200 is a far better 2up tourer but I can see how you may feel it is too big and heavy for you to deal with)

Is it capable of what you describe? .. sure it is.

The best bike is the one you feel comfortable handling safely, because if you don't feel safe on the bike, you wont ride it, and if you buy a bike and don't ride it.. you're just a twat.

People will chip in with ideas to improve it but in summary, yes its capable, so if you feel in control and it makes you happy, go for it.
Thank you for the neat summary and advice.

Based on specification, I thought that F700gs seems to be perfectly capable,
but I would like to know second opinions and experience regarding actual 2-up riding experience.
(Brakes, Pillion comfort etc)

Surely I will keep in mind that confidence in handling and safety is the key when I choose the bike.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:14 PM   #4
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In the end it doesn't really matter much if WE think it's a great bike for 2-up if you or your wife hate it. The moral of that story? Test ride with the wife on the back.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:29 AM   #5
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In the end it doesn't really matter much if WE think it's a great bike for 2-up if you or your wife hate it. The moral of that story? Test ride with the wife on the back.
Yes, riding with my wife would make the final call for sure.

I would like to get some background knowledge before try one since

my dealer said demo R1200gs and F700gs will arrive in the end of March.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:22 AM   #6
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Buy 2 Airhawks

We done 2 weeks around NZ south island last year on a f650twin (we also own one) with BMW vario luggage.
No problems at all, except for the crap seat, so we took our Airhawks.
Depends on how big you both are.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:35 PM   #7
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We done 2 weeks around NZ south island last year on a f650twin (we also own one) with BMW vario luggage.
No problems at all, except for the crap seat, so we took our Airhawks.
Depends on how big you both are.


Thank you for sharing your experience. Exactly what I would like to know and consider.

Good to know that there's no problem. As you said, I have heard a lot of complaints about the standard seat.

I think I should get Airhawks for me and pillion or install comfort seat.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:28 AM   #8
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"I plan to have 10-15 minutes break after two hours of riding. (Should I take a break after one hour?)"

Have you ever ridden a bike? A top heavy bike, over loaded with the wife on back?? GH
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:46 PM   #9
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"I plan to have 10-15 minutes break after two hours of riding. (Should I take a break after one hour?)"

Have you ever ridden a bike? A top heavy bike, over loaded with the wife on back?? GH
I just want to bring as many things as possible on the table.

If I hadn't mention it, I am pretty sure, that someone would have mentioned something like "you gotta take some rest
onece in a while."
Also there are different sitting comfort levels depending on the type of bikes.
(i.e. A huge tourer like a HD tourer = couple hours of riding but no complains from the back
Royal Enfield Bullet = 30 mins top, and I may need to look for a car)

I just can't guess how a middle class enduro like F700gs takes its place.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:40 AM   #10
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Here in the US the common perception is bigger is better.

As I suspect you know the F700 and the R1200 physical dimension are almost identical...ie the length of the f700 is as long as the r1200. (it think the F800 is slightly longer than the R1200) It does weigh about 50 lbs less. And the seat is lower and can be much lower with the low suspension model. I think that might be important to you and your wife.

If you are to ride dirt and paved roads there is NO need to have a tall bike...there are several reason why a low bike is better.

the R1200 certainly has more power, but the F700 is more than adequate...note it has more power than 75% of the Harleys on the road and those bikes, alone weight 600-800lbs. It has more power than the old R100 1000cc airheads.

The F700 burns considerably less fuel than the R1200.

Now that the F700 is available with ESA, which I highly recommend, the issue of adjusting the suspension for the load of your wife and gear and back to solo riding is solved. If you get a version with out ESA, is suspect you will find the rear suspension too soft...ie the stock spring rate is too low. An up graded spring rate will cost a couple of hundred or an aftermarket rear shock/spring assembly will cost $600-1100.

The R1200 duo lever/paralever is probably the best touring motorcycle suspension on the market today. There is no dive on braking, and the geometry allows better road dynamics...and some model of the 1200GS have ESA on both front and rear..unfortunately if you get a "low" r1200 you lose this dual ESA option as I understand it.

When I went true this decision process in 2010 i bought the F650GS...you F700 is better with the ESA.

Like several other have said...take them both for a ride....maybe evan a Muliti strada too.
Buy the one that makes you both smile the most
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:28 AM   #11
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I ride 2-up on an BMW X-Country all the time. And thats a 650 single. Thousands of miles and no worries! I upgraded the rear shock thats it. Heck we even weigh more than you. It depends on pillion and what they like.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:02 PM   #12
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I ride 2-up on an BMW X-Country all the time. And thats a 650 single. Thousands of miles and no worries! I upgraded the rear shock thats it. Heck we even weigh more than you. It depends on pillion and what they like.
Yeah, I totally agree with you about pillion preferenece. From advices form here, my worries begin to fade away.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:59 PM   #13
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Here in the US the common perception is bigger is better.

As I suspect you know the F700 and the R1200 physical dimension are almost identical...ie the length of the f700 is as long as the r1200. (it think the F800 is slightly longer than the R1200) It does weigh about 50 lbs less. And the seat is lower and can be much lower with the low suspension model. I think that might be important to you and your wife.

If you are to ride dirt and paved roads there is NO need to have a tall bike...there are several reason why a low bike is better.

the R1200 certainly has more power, but the F700 is more than adequate...note it has more power than 75% of the Harleys on the road and those bikes, alone weight 600-800lbs. It has more power than the old R100 1000cc airheads.

The F700 burns considerably less fuel than the R1200.

Now that the F700 is available with ESA, which I highly recommend, the issue of adjusting the suspension for the load of your wife and gear and back to solo riding is solved. If you get a version with out ESA, is suspect you will find the rear suspension too soft...ie the stock spring rate is too low. An up graded spring rate will cost a couple of hundred or an aftermarket rear shock/spring assembly will cost $600-1100.

The R1200 duo lever/paralever is probably the best touring motorcycle suspension on the market today. There is no dive on braking, and the geometry allows better road dynamics...and some model of the 1200GS have ESA on both front and rear..unfortunately if you get a "low" r1200 you lose this dual ESA option as I understand it.

When I went true this decision process in 2010 i bought the F650GS...you F700 is better with the ESA.

Like several other have said...take them both for a ride....maybe evan a Muliti strada too.
Buy the one that makes you both smile the most

Thumbs up for your informative input.

Indeed, you scratch just whare it curiously itches. In terms of physical dimensions, R1200gs and F700gs
are not that different. But with a bigger engine and everything R1200gs is more like a "beefier & heavier" bike.
(And better equipped of course.)
Under this situation, I was curious about pillion comfort difference.

Before I take a test drive, I want to learn some technical aspects of both bikes and you just taught
what I need to look for. I should ask a dealer to get ESA equipped F700gs for a test run.

I am pretty sure beemer would be my next destination, but yes I will give second chances to
KTM, Ducati, and Honda.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:34 AM   #14
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My wife and I ride all over the place on my F650Gs the only thing you will need is a good seat. I tried a few and we settled on the Sargent I highly recomend it over any of the OEM options http://www.sargentcycle.com/bmwwsf800.htm
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My wife and I ride all over the place on my F650Gs the only thing you will need is a good seat. I tried a few and we settled on the Sargent I highly recomend it over any of the OEM options http://www.sargentcycle.com/bmwwsf800.htm
So, a good seat seems to be the one that I really should focus on finding. I know that Sargent has gained
its fame from many riders. I will include Sargent into candidates.
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