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Old 04-10-2013, 08:08 PM   #1
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Biggest Reason to NOT Relocate Sidestand

CADMV.

It would be less hassle to fix a cracked the case than to get a correct title in California. Bastards. Am trying to get correct title in CA for a bike purchased out-of-state. No other state that I know of requires it but CADMV requires the engine number to be recorded along with the VIN.

Been to DMV 4 times. First time they recorded the casting number instead of the engine number. When I got the title I noticed the incorrect number.

I have documentation from the factory cross-referencing both the VIN and the Engine number. The relocated sidestand obscures the first 2 digits of the engine number. They are the year it was produced: 07.

Like it's really going to make a difference. Hello. Engines can be replaced.

They recorded the engine number incorrectly in the first place. A title was issued with the incorrect number so what difference does it make even if the number were recorded incorrectly again?

I should probably just not worry about it and let it be an issue for the next owner.

8 out of the 10 numbers can be seen. The two that can't are the model year. There's paperwork to correlate. But NO.

I get to return to the DMV, yet again. This time with NO kickstand.

I wish I could just ride in and let the bike fall on it's side in the handicapped parking space but those handicapped parking spaces are already taken by these mentally handicapped DMV employees who have no common sense.
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Old 04-10-2013, 08:28 PM   #2
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I spent 7 moths registering my out of state, used GS Adventure. I had all the notorized paperwork completed in advance of my appointment. And still they kept requiring another form.

The best was registering my Audi fifteen years ago. They rejected it because it did not "say" "Audi" on the front of the car!

We finally got past that.

My next bike I'll buy new from within the confines of the republic of kalifornia.

I believe the mouth-breathing CADMV exists in an attempt to counter the weather. It took the original owner and me about fifteen minutes to conclude our business at the local DMV in Kansas City Kansas. The ladies there were all curious about my riding home and we ended up spending a lot more time talking. The nice lady even gave me a paper plate and extended it to 90 days instead of thirty.

The CADMV is like getting a flu shot; there is a little pain but it usually doesn't last too long. Though in this case it looks like they gave you bird flu.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:13 PM   #3
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Never thought I'd say this, but the CADMV has been great on my last two transactions- a car and a bike, both purchased out of state and brought in.

Yes, they are a high-volume place, and have been really crappy in the past, but the last two times were reasonable and fairly painless.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:33 PM   #4
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In all fairness, from my experience the DMV is always the worst state entity to deal with regardless of the state.

Beta? Who makes that? Not on our list. You're SOL.

Best was a vehicle that I've owned (second owner) free and clear for 20+ years. Had to get a duplicate title because at some point in those 20 years I lost the original. DMV required notarized proof that the finance company no longer had a claim to the vehicle. A finance company that no longer exists in a state 1,800 miles away. That only took a bit over 6 months.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:18 PM   #5
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Beta? Who makes that? Not on our list. You're SOL..
I got full CA DMV treatment yesterday trying to get a OHV sticker for my Beta Rev3. 4 months working with Beta to get a MSO all for nothing. I tried to leave when it started going bad and she said "if you leave I will just put the bike in the system as REJECTED and you will never be able to register it." I asked why and got "You will just go to a different DMV and they might let it thru..."

Really hard to get over this. Took me a year to find the bike all for nothing just because of one DVM person with a crap attitude. I will never buy a out of state bike again unless its a junker I plan to use to ride close trails. A bike you can leave behind and run if you have to..
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:01 PM   #6
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Whenever the counter person at the dmv heads south on me, I always stop,, and ask "I'm not sure I understand,, can you help me make some notes so I can go fix it the right way? "

Once they give me their list,, I then start at the top and asks,, OK, so what is the motor vehicle code that covers this item? I need to make sure I have it exactly right...

In other words become so needy and cooperative they do what I want to get rid of me...

I also NEVER go to a big city DMV,, I drive over two hours out to find a small town farm DMV that just wants to get it done and go home...

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Old 04-10-2013, 10:32 PM   #7
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I'll admit it's a crap shoot at the DMV, but getting mad about it is a waste of time.

I arrived 5min early for an appointment made the previous week. After standing in the "Appointment" line for about 20min the guy there said "you're early, come back to the window in 5min".

I turned around; the line had grown by about 8 - 10 people. I said if I got back and waited in line I'd then be late. He said no, it'll be OK, he'd remember me.

So back in line I go, only to see him leave the counter and go into a back room. By the time I get to the front of the line, I am in fact 5min late for my 2:30 appointment. The lady now behind the counter looks down her nose at me and says "You're late, next time get here early". She gave me my number, I said thank you, I enlightened her about the previous 10min (I wanted to waste some of her time) and then waited til my number was called.

It was frustrating, but I went in prepared for the worst; I had researched every form related to motorcycles, non-op certs, unreadable engine & frame #'s - the works. It wasn't the apocalypse. I got an '87 LC4 that hadn't been registered for 6years and had an "unauthorized" street plate through the system and on the street in 1 appointment. It wasn't cheap, but it got done.

Did I get lucky? Maybe, but I knew what was potentially around the corner and I came prepared. I was also very pleasant to the drone behind the counter.

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Old 04-10-2013, 10:45 PM   #8
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I arrived 5min early for an appointment made the previous week.
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An appointment made the previous week! Lucky boy.

Here the next available appointment is 3 1/2 MONTHs from now. For a freaking number verification that, including round-trip transit time from desk to/from parking lot, requires less than 2 minutes.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:14 AM   #9
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My next bike I'll buy new from within the confines of the republic of kalifornia....
So from their pov the system works
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:24 AM   #10
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My last few visits to the DMV have been a breeze, but I agree that registering an out of state motorcycle is a PIA. When I registered a dirt bike bought in NM it required multiple trips, because they first didn't know what numbers to look for and then they recorded one digit incorrectly. The biggest pain is that they would not climb on my trailer to inspect the bike - against policy.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:57 AM   #11
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You people need to get out of that communist state!!!

I bought my latest bike in WY, and registered it in UT. I was in and out of the DMV in under 10 minutes... WITHOUT an appointment. In fact, I have never spent more than 10 minutes at the DMV here - ever! That's registering 2 cars, 2 snowmobiles, and my bike. I just pop by, walk in, and most of the time I don't have time to sit down before they call my number. I'm not making this up... 100% serious!

That's nothing like it was when I lived in NY though. Took me 3 trips to register a trailer there. I would always consider myself lucky if I walked out in under an hour. So glad I got out of the commie state 5 years ago!!! Who'd have thought a layoff would have been such a blessing in disguise?
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:47 AM   #12
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Your bike doesn't have the center stand?? Duh!! There IS NO good reason not to have side stand relocator. CJ Designs is the way to go. Has no obstruction or contact with the engine whatsoever. Sounds like someone just wanted to bitch and cry in his beer!
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:03 PM   #13
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You people need to get out of that communist state!!!
Populated, not communist. If Utah had 20 million residents your DMV would be a PIA as well.

But I do agree, people need to get the hell outta here. I hear Utah is nice.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:18 AM   #14
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The relocated sidestand obscures the first 2 digits of the engine number
One more reason to use the PABiker sidestand relocation mount! (now sold by CJRacer at CJDesigns, LLC)
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:42 AM   #15
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When I bought out an auto lease (originated in CA) it was a nightmare. You would think I was the only person in te state who had ever purchased their vehicle at the end on the lease. Multiple trips to DMV and lots of money. And then yes, when it became time for the registration renewal a year later, things were messed up and I could not renew. I ended up going to AAA (they have CADMV services) and not only did they fix the registration once and for all, they managed to get me a refund on the "overpaid" fees from the year before.
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