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Old 04-11-2013, 04:34 PM   #1
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I Wanna Turn a Sport Bike Into a "Tourer"...

Why the heck not!?!

I haven't had a litre bike for about 10 years. The last one I had was a 929rr, and I miss the excitement!!

I have since gone through many different machines, looking for something fun that doesn't kill my back. I've had a number of bikes that just didn't do it for me, currently I have a Ducati ST3, great sport tourer, but I want a lithe weapon again that can put the fear of GAWD in me!

All of the usual suspect in the sport touring world are too big. Yes, I know about the Ninja 1000, I'm not feeling it. I crave a real sport bike, lightness is paramount. I need to figure out a way to convert a Japanese sport bike into a comfortable, fun, solo ST machine.

Here are my parameters:

1) Must be above 900cc
2) Preferably Japanese, I have 2 Ducs now, I'm tired of fixing them...
3) must be be newer that 10 years old.
4) Essentially, I need -FAST- NIMBLE - FUN- DEPENDABLE!!
5) I should probably stay under 8,000$
6) I really do need to sit up pretty straight. ( Neck and back injuries)

My question for you experts are:

1) What bikes are more comfortable than the others from the factory?
2) What bar rise solution can put me at a "mostly" upright riding position?
3) Do you have any specific seating suggestions?

I rarely see anyone turn a sport bike into a machine like I am describing. (possibly for good reason) Please spare me the "you're defeating the purpose" bit. Also, please omit the "just get a VFR!". I have done my research, I know what I want, thanks.

What say you ?!? Can I do this, or am I fooling myself? Am I doomed to an exsistance of bikes that I "kinda" like?

HELP!!
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:48 PM   #2
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Have you considered either the 1st or 2nd generation Yamaha FZ1? I have an '06, and you can definitely find them in your price range. It has an upright seating position and all the power you can possibly want. I've gone on long weekend trips with it, and I know how to pack light, and just use a tailpack. I also do long weekends on my Ninja ZX6R and actually prefer it to the FZ1 because I'm actually more comfortable with the Ninja's riding position.
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:59 PM   #3
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cycle-ergo.com is your friend for finding the riding position you want and determining what risers etc you need to tweak it in.

It sounds like what you want is a streetfighter. Not Japanese but I'd recommend the Speed Triple; it has the ergos, it has the power, it has the handling. If you're actually looking to 'tour' the shortened tail is compromised for hauling, but it's doable. The Street Trip is nimbler but <900cc.

E: I see from your profile (and name) that you already have a Speed Triple. So you're all set then! :P

Alternately you can take practically any sportbike and fit dirtbike bars and an aftermarket seat to them. Lowering the rearsets to somewhere more knee-friendly may be a hassle.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:08 AM   #4
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cycle-ergo.com is your friend for finding the riding position you want and determining what risers etc you need to tweak it in.
Have you taken this excellent advice and played around with this calculator? When I go with the 2005 GSXR1k using a 6'0 rider w/ 32" inseam, to get 19 degrees of lean which is where a stock Kaw Z1000 is you will need 5" of handlebar rise and 3" further back. You may get close with Convertibars or a handlebar conversion kit with a larger handlebar, but a Genmar or Helibar setup isn't going to do shit for what you are looking for.
Or, you could just buy a Z1000.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:50 AM   #5
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Have you taken this excellent advice and played around with this calculator? When I go with the 2005 GSXR1k using a 6'0 rider w/ 32" inseam, to get 19 degrees of lean which is where a stock Kaw Z1000 is you will need 5" of handlebar rise and 3" further back. You may get close with Convertibars or a handlebar conversion kit with a larger handlebar, but a Genmar or Helibar setup isn't going to do shit for what you are looking for.
Or, you could just buy a Z1000.

Thanks Duke, I'm checking it out right now.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:22 PM   #6
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Have you taken this excellent advice and played around with this calculator? When I go with the 2005 GSXR1k using a 6'0 rider w/ 32" inseam, to get 19 degrees of lean which is where a stock Kaw Z1000 is you will need 5" of handlebar rise and 3" further back. You may get close with Convertibars or a handlebar conversion kit with a larger handlebar, but a Genmar or Helibar setup isn't going to do shit for what you are looking for.
Or, you could just buy a Z1000.


Well, after lotsa playing on cycle-ergos.com, looks like I'll be getting a Ninja 1000.

My ST3 is 20% forward lean according to the website, even that bugs me after a while.

Looks like with a $150 bar rise kit for the Ninja 1000, I'll be at 3% lean.


I'm not going to get a GSXR to that position without some ape hangers


Well, I suppose I'll have fun making my N1K a fast fun machine....
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:43 PM   #7
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Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa a Ninja 1000 ain't gonna thrill you anything like a ZX10. I thought you wanted to put up with bad ergos for the thrill of a literbike???? What has this whole thread been about? First you want to put up with anything, not you're afraid of a little lean to the bars?

Look, a GSXR or ZX10 with a LSL bar conversion is all you need. I'm gonna be pissed if you settle for that Ninja 1k dog!

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=3343

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Old 04-17-2013, 09:51 AM   #8
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Well, after lotsa playing on cycle-ergos.com, looks like I'll be getting a Ninja 1000.

My ST3 is 20% forward lean according to the website, even that bugs me after a while.

Looks like with a $150 bar rise kit for the Ninja 1000, I'll be at 3% lean.


I'm not going to get a GSXR to that position without some ape hangers


Well, I suppose I'll have fun making my N1K a fast fun machine....
That seems like a well thought out plan. That is a sweet bike that I would consider, if I was in the market for a new sport tourer.

Post up some pics when she comes in
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:01 PM   #9
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" I really do need to sit up pretty straight. ( Neck and back injuries)"

I have some of the same issues, and cannot ride any sport bike. Even the Kawasaki EX500 Ninja with bar risers was too painful.

I would suggest a Suzuki Bandit 1200/1250, and see what can be done about raising the bars a bit. Touring accessories are already available for it, and it is as fast as pretty much any sport bike.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:17 PM   #10
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Thanks gentleman for the responses. Let me tell you where I've been. I had a Speed Triple. (check my name) and a VFR. And a DL and SV1000. And a number of Buells. And a few Monsters. And, I've ridden everything else that is a contender...

I need to do this with the sports bike. What one is going to work best for me?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:25 PM   #11
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I had a 929 also. im 6 ft about 190 pounds. I was going to turn it into a sport tourer.. higher bars and lower the pegs. done
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:45 PM   #12
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It would seem that bar risers alone wouldn't get you very close to upright on a true crotch rocket. And if they did, I imagine the wind coming off the screen/fairing would hit you all wrong for touring. You didn't respond to the previous poster who suggested the FZ1, but that you can fit hard bags to that or a 919. Or maybe just get a ninja 1000.

Is your point that none of those standards (i.e. 919) or sports tourers (ninja 1000) are sporty enough?
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:45 AM   #13
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I didn't read you need it to be "new" so... Isn't this available anymore?

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Old 04-12-2013, 08:56 AM   #14
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I know these are getting a little older, but what about the Kawasaki ZZR1200 ? Ask here http://zzrbikes.com/content/?

I know years ago Heli made bars for it & i think Givi made shields & bag brackets for it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:22 AM   #15
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I've seen 1st gen connie clip on on a zzr1200 before, nice and upright. But you're dealing with a fairly heavy some what old tech carb'd bike. I like them, but I don't view it as a substitute for the zx10/r1/gsxr1k/cbr1k of the world. Granted that's just my opinion.

The GSXR1000 conversion has been done enough that you should be able to copy. Everyone has there favorite liter bike/years etc if they aren't your flavor so be it but they are certainly competitive and although I'm not a big Suzuki fan if I recall the 05 or 06's were kind of what I liked. I've ridden a cbr929 w/ full exhaust and pc tuner.....I found it underwhelming. I thought it'd scare me but wot through a few gears and I was just bored. Some how it managed to be fast and boring at the same time, I like Honda's but......maybe that's why some people hate them lol.

I think the Daytona option is a fair mention, but I think I'd personally be looking at a Tuono R or similar. They aren't watered down like a lot of naked, full race bike in factory street fighter clothes(regular handlebar). Just yet another option.
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