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Old 06-26-2013, 05:26 AM   #1
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Riding a bike is as dangerous as fighting a war

A new book on risk (cannot remember the name of the top of my head)by well respected risk analysts pointed out that statistically spending a day riding a motorcycle (400 miles)is a little more dangerous then spending a day fighting in Afghanistan.

Obviously we all have different risk profiles but that was quote sobering to me at least having 2 small kids.

I ride daily but would still describe my skills as only average. I have had my share of close calls but I thought it was just my personal experience.

I won't stop riding but it is a scary idea for sure.

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Old 06-26-2013, 05:31 AM   #2
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Btw the book is called the Norm Chronicles and it estimated the risk of a days riding at around 60 micronorts compared to a day fighting in Afganistan at 45 micronorts. This basically means you have 60 chances in a million of dying on a bike a day and 45 chances in a million of dying in a day in Afghanistan.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:17 AM   #3
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Btw the book is called the Norm Chronicles and it estimated the risk of a days riding at around 60 micronorts compared to a day fighting in Afganistan at 45 micronorts. This basically means you have 60 chances in a million of dying on a bike a day and 45 chances in a million of dying in a day in Afghanistan.
I've yet to come across a micronort. They sound a bit scary. Do they eat people, or just kill for fun.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:19 PM   #4
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I've yet to come across a micronort. They sound a bit scary. Do they eat people, or just kill for fun.
They're tiny little zombies.
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:25 AM   #5
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I suggest that the OP should quick worrying so much about riding and start worrying a little more about ass cancer.
Wrong. Everybody has an ass hole but not many ride motorcycles.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:59 AM   #6
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In the USA:
Around 4000 people died from motorcycle accidents.

MORE THAN 50,000 PEOPLE DIED FROM COLON RECTAL CANCER.
MORE THAN 39,000 PEOPLE DIED FROM BREAST CANCER.
MORE THAN 36,000 PEOPLE DIED FROM THE FLU.
MORE THAN 32,000 PEOPLE DIED IN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENTS.
53 PEOPLE DIED FROM BEE STINGS.
38 PEOPLE DIED FROM LIGHTNING STRIKES.
4 IDIOTS DIED FROM DOING STUPID SHIT WITH FIREWORKS.

I suggest that the OP should quick worrying so much about riding and start worrying a little more about ass cancer.
100% of americans have a digestive system.
~51% of Americans have breast (well...developed I mean...and then you must factor the age)
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How many % are riders?


Data (or lack of), context, interpretation...


One can choose to factor in or out this or that and manipulates numbers to reflect a point of view. Not always on purpose but if you did, chances that someone writing a book (maybe with an agenda) did the same are high.



Stats are fun and can be useful if understood, I'm with Glassewave on this, but we have to take all that with a pinch of salt. Especially witout all the data at our disposal.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:33 AM   #7
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Alcohol plays a BIG role in the statistic of motorcycle injuries/fatalities. You can significantly reduce your risk by avoiding alcohol before riding. You can also wear good gear, not ride above your skill level, etc.

Soldiers in A-stan don't have any easy way to dramatically reduce their risks.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:32 AM   #8
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Soldiers in A-stan don't have any easy way to dramatically reduce their risks.
Eye pro and reflective belts.
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:29 AM   #9
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I broke my foot on my MC last summer and the VA doctor who did surgery said they have more amputees from MC accidents than from combat.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:08 AM   #10
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Seems like I remember a stat from the First Gulf War...

The 82nd troopers were safer in the combat zone than in garrison.

More troopers died in alcohol related motor vehicle accidents than in combat related activities.

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Old 06-26-2013, 07:14 AM   #11
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Way to mow down the masses. I do not believe that all riders can be lumped together.

Riding while impaired, excessive speed, tired, angry and not knowing how to control the bike accounts for fully 90% of "accidents" while riding.

Don't be "That guy" and your 60 micronorts are now only 6.
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Old 07-14-2013, 03:35 PM   #12
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Way to mow down the masses. I do not believe that all riders can be lumped together.

Riding while impaired, excessive speed, tired, angry and not knowing how to control the bike accounts for fully 90% of "accidents" while riding.

Don't be "That guy" and your 60 micronorts are now only 6.

Exactly, and don't forget... no IED's '-)
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:52 PM   #13
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Exactly, and don't forget... no IED's '-)


Oh wait, unless that's Nato's acronym for paper bags, thrown cans & exploding tires...
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:08 AM   #14
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Rather than just exploding motorcycles?

17 Photos Of Bombed, Burned and Exploded Motorcycles


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Warning: If you are any bit squeamish for the site(sic) of dead motorcycles, for crying out loud, DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICTURES. These 17 photos are pictures of motorcycles that have been totally destroyed....
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:32 AM   #15
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I broke my foot on my MC last summer and the VA doctor who did surgery said they have more amputees from MC accidents than from combat.
For that to be meaningful, you need to know how many total hours of motorcycling were carried out, compared to total hours of active combat. You also need to consider Paebr's point that some squaddie in combat is already almost certainly wearing the armour/boots they can. A lot of motorcyclists who have serious foot/lower leg injuries (which incidentally, are the most common injury in most forms of motorcycling) would have been better off had they been wearing proper/better boots.

Daveinva: If you really want to mess with them, you can point out that not letting the kids out of their neighbourhood, for fear of them being abducted by some child molester is statistically-speaking, practically handing them over to a paedophile. The overwhelming majority of cases involve a family member or someone who lives within the next few houses.

It's one of the weird things about risk, even when presented with concrete evidence to the contrary, otherwise rationale people have an extremely hard time debasing their "gut instinct" enough to do what is statistically safest.
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