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Old 08-22-2013, 04:58 AM   #1
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why does mileage scare people from the 950

I have a 06 950 adv with 39,000 miles I have another friend with a 06 950 sm that is showroom clean with 43,000 and another friend that has a 05.5 950 adv
with over 40,000 that is off road 90% of the time and when any us try to sell all we hear is " I am concerned about all the miles"

This confuses me
I bought my 950 in november of 07 so I have had it for 6 years and put 39,000 miles on it , so that is 6500 miles a year, That's nothing!!
I have another bike and wife's bike I ride occasionally. I do not keep up but between them all I ride about 15,000 miles a year. Which is 1250 miles a month which is about 400 miles a week, I ride 300 on my day off Friday and then another 100 miles with my old guy crew on Sunday.

I bought my bikes to RIDE them not to tell the neighbors I have one.I just do not get this the KTM'S are enduro race machines the 950
motor was built for Dakar I just don't see why the rumors of reliability Issue fly around.
I must admit as much as this site helps with the KTM 950 I think it hurts cause most of time people only post when they have some problem so all the people read is problems, problems and more Problems.

Just my thoughts!
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:07 AM   #2
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It doesnt matter what bike it is,people want a used bike with 0 miles if they can get it,preferably for very,very little money. I had a guy show up and went over the bike ft to back,worried about "fading" on the handlebars,was sure the bike had sun fading. I told him I rode it outdoors mostly.

Ive had a 2011 KTM 530 for sale a little while,people call or show up expecting to get it for 6 grand with 1600 miles on it.
I'll end up keeping it most likely.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:15 AM   #3
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KTMs in particular have a little bit of a stigma against them about being unreliable, due to some past models that had issues with the engine design. The new ones are much better, but I think people are still concerned, becuase KTMs can be pricey to fix. It's like comparing a Chevy to a BMW, with the KTM being the BMW I suppose.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:27 AM   #4
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Bmw????!!!

KTM Adventures are more like the Range Rover of the bike world. Practical, comfortable, strong brand image, and with proper off road capability. Shit, Range Rovers are unreliable.....shut the feck up Martynho

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KTMs in particular have a little bit of a stigma against them about being unreliable, due to some past models that had issues with the engine design. The new ones are much better, but I think people are still concerned, becuase KTMs can be pricey to fix. It's like comparing a Chevy to a BMW, with the KTM being the BMW I suppose.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:33 AM   #5
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A local shop (here in Perth, Australia) has a 08 KTM 990 on the floor for months (not sure if it ever sold). I bought a new 11 KTM 990 with the expectation that i would keep it to the bitter end so have no expectation on resale. I just enjoy the bike. I guess that is the attitude you need to have with 'exotic' machinery.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:52 AM   #6
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Keeper....yes!

My 2010 990R now has close to 80,000kms on it. Admittedly I did have the top end refreshed and new rings put in at 50K after it swallowed something nasty in Bolivia. I had some immobilser issues (solved) and had to replace a dodgy TPS but no biggie. Other than that it is remarkably reliable given the treatment it gets here in Chile

Point is, the 990ADV is the last big RACE DIRTBIKE made for the road. Given its replacement and other alternatives out there right now, makes it a keeper like you say. I will just keep on top of mine and run it forever

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A local shop (here in Perth, Australia) has a 08 KTM 990 on the floor for months (not sure if it ever sold). I bought a new 11 KTM 990 with the expectation that i would keep it to the bitter end so have no expectation on resale. I just enjoy the bike. I guess that is the attitude you need to have with 'exotic' machinery.
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:05 AM   #7
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I think it's the same mentality as not wanting to buy a car with 100,000+ miles (or 200,000)...even though it is not uncommon to hear of examples doing just that with no major repair issues outside of alternators, water and fuel pumps, etc.

Most motorcycles don't get lots of miles run up in this country, so when you see one with 50,000+, you want to search longer for one with significantly less.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:29 AM   #8
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KTMs in particular have a little bit of a stigma against them about being unreliable, due to some past models that had issues with the engine design. The new ones are much better, but I think people are still concerned, becuase KTMs can be pricey to fix. It's like comparing a Chevy to a BMW, with the KTM being the BMW I suppose.
But yet they will buy BMW'S with 60,000 miles knowing the final drive is going to break.

I have to disagree about the pricey to fix comment, KTM dealers or mechanics are not any more or any less then all the dealer rates. Parts are in the same price range as well. Most things can be done easily at home with normal tools.
Just dont get it I owned a 640 that was a awesome bike that was trouble free!

I also have a friend with a 950 with got be over 90,000 miles on it and he rides the piss out of it!!
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:12 AM   #9
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But yet they will buy BMW'S with 60,000 miles knowing the final drive is going to break.
I think that's true for ALL BMWs, the fanboys do a very good job of keeping the brand image. I know my BMW riding friends sure do, all of the sudden I realized that having cam chains stretch, waterpumps break, clutches break and stator failures is just "normal".

Me: Has anything gone wrong on your bike?
BMW Owner: No, I've done just normal maintenance (after replacing the clutch and stator).



Me: That's a pretty bike! (2013 GS1200 Adventure)
BMW Owner: I love my BMWs, I've never had any problems with them.
Me: What BMW did you had prior to this one?
BMW Owner: 2011 GS1200 Adventure, sold it because it was getting too old.
That conversation went on, basically the guy never keeps any bike for more than 2 years.



I think that they make them sign a NDA at the dealership or something like that.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:19 PM   #10
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Price is everything. You never said how much you were trying to get for a 950 with 40k miles... Price it right and it will sell. Try to get $8,000 because of all the add-ons... good luck.

Personaly I will not consider any bike with over 10k miles. I do a major tear down and check everything before I ever ride a used bike I buy. Just not worth it on a high miles bike. I will wait for one that the seller just never rode. My 950 had 3,200 miles on it when I bought it and would not run right from sitting. Perfect deal as I was going to tear it down and re-jet anyway. Same with all my bikes. My 450 had 2 rides on it in 3 years.

I rescue bikes from non-use. All bikes like to be run... hard!
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:29 AM   #11
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KTM'S are enduro race machines the 950
motor was built for Dakar I just don't see why the rumors of reliability Issue fly around.
Full disclosure: I love my 950 and don't mind (too much) all of the tinkering it asks for.. But this said, I often feel like "built for racing" can also mean "built to be torn down routinely and worked on by people who know what they are doing"... maybe one day that will be me.

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Old 08-24-2013, 12:27 PM   #12
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I bought mine in 2009 with 24,000 miles on it. I knew from studying this board that 24,000 miles on a bike like this was not a problem. I paid $6,900 with delivery, and I thought that was a steal for the bike I got.

I did have to do into the motor at 35,000 miles, but there really wasn't an internals problem. More "user error" than anything. Anyway, everything on the top end of the motor was fine other than some worn cam chain guides, and typically bad "pitted" 950 cams. The cam issue is an early 950 problem, and it should be expected. The guides should be expected because they are plastic.

So, I don't think high mileage is a huge concern. I did comment the other day on someone considering buying a 950 with over 60K on the clock. If the price was right and the bike was properly maintained, I might do that. But I would be discounting the price by the possibility that I would be going into the engine in the coming years and knowing what that would cost. Of course, another option is to swap a newer 990 motor into these bikes and ride on. Whether it's a motor rebuild or a swap, you could easily be looking at a cost north of $2,000, so the base bike price would have to be right. But point me at a well-maintained 950 with a blown motor selling for around $2,500, and it would take the wife ripping the checkbook out of my hands to keep me away.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:35 PM   #13
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It's the price

The problem is that most 950 owners act like its 2003 and that twin is the only gig in town so they would like to see ridiculous amounts like 6900 for a 24k on a probably ridden like most KTM's 950.
So no one is scared of your mileage pal, it's just that no one will give you 10k for it or think its gold plated. It's often a giant dirt bike that gets put through paces, I wouldn't consider high mileage one for a load of money knowing that ill likely tear into it soon. There are other options on this day and age...
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:10 PM   #14
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I'm beginning to shop for a new bike..just cause I want something new..I currently ride an '08 GSA...

About final drives..let's be honest..completely blown out of proportion...the failure rate is less than 1% +/-...should it happen at all..other than the fluke, no, it shouldn't, however, everyone who has a seal leak, screams "final failure"

Goldwing failure rates are about the same.

What has been said before holds true..we all know the KTM is the superior off road bike..but all around bike? I think the BMW wins..this thread talks about mileage and oddly, several here sound like a Harley rider.."well, mine has almost 20k on it..and is 6 years old.." I just received my 100k award..on an '08..the bike did get a tranny replaced under warranty, at two months old..fluke, manufacturing problem..and a u joint went out..covered under warranty, not a fluke..poor design..but that's it...zero motor issues..change oil every 10k...has been all over Death Valley, the North Rim..Colorado...started the Washington BDR, Thursday...once a year valve checks take an hour..with beer, oil changes..15 minutes..

I don't struggle with small windshield air management...bad water pumps on brand new bikes and steering head bearings??

Are BMW's without problems? Of course not..and myself and only a couple other guys are very critical of them in GS Spot..not a fanboi..

When it's all said and done..and none of us on upper end boutique bikes want to hear it..but Yamaha has the bike to beat, like it or not..no soul, no character..just dead solid Japanese reliability...

All that..but..damn I want a BAJA...
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:27 AM   #15
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The problem is that most 950 owners act like its 2003 and that twin is the only gig in town so they would like to see ridiculous amounts like 6900 for a 24k on a probably ridden like most KTM's 950.
So no one is scared of your mileage pal, it's just that no one will give you 10k for it or think its gold plated. It's often a giant dirt bike that gets put through paces, I wouldn't consider high mileage one for a load of money knowing that ill likely tear into it soon. There are other options on this day and age...
We are not Pal's

I have yet to see this 10k 950?

All I see is fair priced 950's on the market 6900 for 24,000 miles is a great price!

The 950 is the only GIG in town when it comes to a big dual sport bike period.
It does it all well no other bike does that period!

Who is capable of putting it through its paces maybe a few but most common riders cannot even get close to pushing it to the max!

Have a great day!!!
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