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Old 09-28-2013, 08:18 AM   #1
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Consumer Reports: BMW & Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Are Less Reliable than Japanese o

This interesding article can be found here:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...e-reliability/
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:32 AM   #2
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And this surprises you how?
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:58 AM   #3
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:23 AM   #4
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Er, I think.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:38 AM   #5
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The Japanese companies are still trying to understand character and inspiration. They often focus so hard at making a bike perform flawlessly they never take a step back and consider the riding experience as a whole.

I wonder how the comparison would had played out if other Euro brands had been included such as Triumph, Ducati, Moto Guzzi, KTM, Aprilia, etc

When I think about riding excitement, inspired design and styling, Japanese brands don't jump to the forefront. Maybe once upon a time but certainly not now, at least for me.

People always focus on the big players but so many find great happiness in the shadows as it were.

Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement that goes along with the bike.
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:28 PM   #6
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Don't suppose BMW's part comes from the final drive explosions?

HD's is already well known. No need to go into them.
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Old 09-28-2013, 04:16 PM   #7
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Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement
And Japan sells motorcycles
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:31 PM   #8
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And Japan sells motorcycles
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:43 PM   #9
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:56 AM   #10
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Harley and BMW sell a lifestyle or statement that goes along with the bike.
Yes, and for the rest of us who don't have to buy our friends....
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:20 AM   #11
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Why is it that I see far more serious high mileage Harleys and BMWs? I've seen a few high mileage jap bikes but many more of the two mentioned. The very definition of conundrum. Could it be that the Japoanese bikes are still viewed as disposable?

Hell I've got an Italian bike with 100K+ on it so WTF do I know?






One of my Harleys has 3 times that on it.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:34 AM   #12
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Why is it that I see far more serious high mileage Harleys and BMWs? I've seen a few high mileage jap bikes but many more of the two mentioned. The very definition of conundrum. Could it be that the Japoanese bikes are still viewed as disposable?

Hell I've got an Italian bike with 100K+ on it so WTF do I know?






One of my Harleys has 3 times that on it.
No one commented on how the "reliability" indicators are on a few issues nearly all with fixes under $200! Yeah, budget busters for sure. (Read the original Consumer Reports article.

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Outlining its findings, Consumer Reports says that one-in-four Harley-Davidson owners experience a major problem with their machine, while an even more staggering one-in-three BMW owners made a similar complaint.
Also note that customer satisfaction is MUCH higher with HD and BMW!

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Interestingly enough however, BMW and Harley-Davidson owners were also far more likely to make a repeat-purchase with their chosen brand than were owners of Japanese motorcycles, sans those of Hondas, which scored just slightly lower than BMW and Harley-Davidson on customer retention.
What a poor example of reporting news!

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Old 10-01-2013, 06:57 AM   #13
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Hmmm

I owned 3 Airhead Beemers and was always messing with something on them. The last one was a '88 R100RT and while in shop getting electrical issue sorted (circa 2002), my lady said the most beautiful words we can ever hear

Why don't you buy a new bike?

I bought a Honda VTR1000 and have never looked back. No moto is perfect, but other than usual maintenance - I've only had 1 break down since '02 (converter unit crapped out)

I'm riding it until it implodes...
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Why is it that I see far more serious high mileage Harleys and BMWs? I've seen a few high mileage jap bikes but many more of the two mentioned. The very definition of conundrum. Could it be that the Japoanese bikes are still viewed as disposable?

Hell I've got an Italian bike with 100K+ on it so WTF do I know?






One of my Harleys has 3 times that on it.
I'd like to see the specifics of the report, such as average age, average mileage, criteria that they used to constitute a "major" repair, etc.

And I agree with you. Around these parts Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them. Most Asian bikes I see haven't accumulated many miles.
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:19 PM   #15
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I'd like to see the specifics of the report, such as average age, average mileage, criteria that they used to constitute a "major" repair, etc.

And I agree with you. Around these parts Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them. Most Asian bikes I see haven't accumulated many miles.
All Harleys get the nuts ridden off of them, as well as bolts and other bits and pieces. It's unavoidable

(sorry, you really left yourself open for that one. I couldn't pass it up)
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