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Old 10-07-2013, 07:53 PM   #1
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The "WTF" Arizona Two Day Massacre

Sometimes a well planned trip on some easy big bike trails just doesn't go quite like you think it will....

The plans were layed months ago to do a two day loop into Southern Arizona from Phoenix with a night in Patagonia. An email was sent out to all the very capable riders and 10 hands went up for the ride and one very generous offer of a chase truck with two inside.

The line up

YBRacing - KTM 950
AZRedline - XL650L
4Play - Ninja 650
Refokus - DR650
Cyberdos - DR650
Big-E - KTM 690
Oldtimertc - KTM 950SE
DOD - XR650R
Montek - KLR650
Reidy008 - KTM950

Uncle MilT & The Ghost - Ford Raptor chase vehicle

Teaser pic

This thread will be filled with pics and stories from the group as there are so many things that happened and great stories to tell that it will take all invovled to tell this tale.

I will begin with stating a few highlights and then let the posting begin...

Just over an hour into the ride the Chase truck was stopped by three law enforcement vehicles....

There could have been some sand on this ride...

Tire issues started early and would be the constant for the two days...

There could be some rocks on this ride.....

The border patrol would be asked by the reservation police to detain the bike riders with the chase truck....

By 6 O'clock the ride leader had not one rider still with him on the trail...

Everyone would make it to Patagonia all be it late...

Hotel manager would have to ask the group to be quite....

10.30 am day two the first rider gives up and heads home...

More tire issues....

There could be some hills on this ride....

More riders bailing....

By 3pm the ride leader would have one one rider left with him to complete day two....

One thing I know about this ride is everyone on it has a story or two at least to share. Pictures should be plentiful and I will long remember this one...

Big thanks go out to

YBRacing for the gps tracks.

AZRedline for the scouting days we did.

MilT and Ghost for the chase truck support and any repairs that will be needed.

To all in the group that made this one to remember

Cheers mates.... that was a bloody ripper.

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Old 10-07-2013, 08:11 PM   #2
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Here are a few pics I got from the slight down hill with a few rocks on it...









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Old 10-07-2013, 08:14 PM   #3
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I know this group and if there is no pic then it didn't happen so we stopped just long enough to prove we made it over Penal Peak and into Globe


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Old 10-07-2013, 08:19 PM   #4
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Short video

I shot this short video with some Refokus and Reidy008 commentary... including the ride title.

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Old 10-07-2013, 08:27 PM   #5
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HEY, I don't think I would call it a massacre. A massacre would indicate that everyone died. I know of at least 2 survivors .
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:34 PM   #6
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I think

I'd like to ride with you guys, I think.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:57 PM   #7
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I'd like to ride with you guys, I think.
You're gonna have to bring some tubes. Like a bag full of them.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:08 PM   #8
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I just opened up the tracks and looked at your route. Maybe I should have relayed my story of piloting a fast moving truck Southwest of I-10. For some reason that comes across as "suspicious behavior". I think I know why you guys were "detained".

It's a good thing I didn't go with you! I have tubes packed in both fairings of my 990... But they're swimming in baby powder. I'd hate to see what they would do if they spotted the plastic bags full of white powder in my fairings!
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:25 PM   #9
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I don't know, massacre isn't that far off. Yes there were survivors, but nobody made the entire route as laid out. If you were a tire or inner tube, you'd definitely agree it was a massacre!

Thanks for a great route and ride Reidy and YBRacing. My final tally was about 638 miles.

I think the heros of the weekend were MilT and the Ghost in the insane Raptor, who showed the patience of saints helping fix flats and generally handling the sweep function all weekend, but I’d also like to thank the friendly LEOs for not ending their weekend early with a trip to the crowbar motel.

I don’t have as many pics as I would normally take due to some camera issues, but here are some from the first day.

The group reformed at an intersection just in time to see the 3 friendly officers come in hot pursuit of our beloved sweep truck. Apparently blowing through a hunters check point at 70+ is frowned upon…Who knew? Look at that straight road back there, whose gonna hold 35mph on that? (The three trucks behind us are our performance admirers, I’m sure others will have better pics of them…)

DOD and BigE pose just before the cavalry arrived

Down by Oro Valley North of Tucson there was a great section that gave us all one form of trouble or another. Think DEEP sand, cactus and big ruts. I didn’t get a picture but had a great view of Reidy’s rear tire going up while the front of the bike went into a huge rut. Seems we carried a bit too much speed out of the sand and he did a good job of preventing a cartwheel by getting the beast to fall over sideways first. Once we got past the sand, it got better.


I think this is YB, the bike just tipped over, nothing spectacular, but I post this pic because Reidy seems to be laughing while on his way to assist.

This is where I started having camera troubles, so my last photo of day 1 is at our rest stop in the rock garden.

Day 1 concluded with 4 of us deciding to take a pretty long section of dirt between Three Points and Green Valley. It was starting to get dark, but if everything went well, we should have been able to get most of the way across while it was relatively light. Yea, sure. Story time… (If you don't like long, wordy stories, this is your warning to skip to the pics.)

Cyberdos, Reidy, 4Play and myself stayed pretty tightly grouped when we got to the rougher stuff, with Reidy and Cyberdos maybe 1 or 2 min ahead of 4Play and myself. Somewhere, the first two got off track, and 4Play and I passed them without our knowledge, or theirs. Reidy and I had the Scala communicators on, and we lost connection, which had been common throughout the day since we were in a rough mountainous area.

Sometime around then, we blew a turn by a few feet and had to stop to take the other fork. I took this moment to get rid of my sunglasses, while 4Play got on the gas. I fumbled around trying to get them secured somewhere, then took off. Due to the dense brush and trees, and serpentine nature of the trail, not to mention 4Play can haul ass, and even though I was only stopped for maybe 30 sec or a minute, he was out of sight. No problem for now, cause I didn’t come across any forks or turnoffs, so I kept rollin’, trying to reel him in. After about 10 min without seeing any dust, or tracks, I was starting to think maybe I missed a turn, even though I hadn’t seen any off shoots. What bothered me was I only occasionally saw what could be a M/C track, when I was expecting to be able to see 3 tracks ahead of me. I went on a little longer, and came to a 4 way intersection. I knew we had to generally head south and east, so I ruled out the north bound trail right away. Still, I thought I better stop here and look closer for some tracks. I checked the 2 possible forks but there was not a track to be seen, so it was time to think it over.

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I did have a GPS unit with me, but I don’t yet have a mount on the bike for it, and I am not sure how to use it. (Yes, YB, I hear you groaning!) Nonetheless, I pulled it out of the pack and took a look. I believed I must still be on the track, but before taking off I thought I’d try calling Reidy, who usually keeps his phone on and connected into his helmet. Bingo! He answered! Here is a rough transcript of part of that call:
Reidy anwers: “Hello, who is this”
“It’s AZRedline”
Reidy: “Where the F$#% are you?”
“Uh, I think I’m lost”
Reidy: “F$%^, and I lost Cyberdos”
“WTF, I lost 4Play”
Reidy: “Are you on track”
“Uh, possibly. Are you?”
Reidy: “Yeah, but Cyberdos just blew past me the wrong F$%&^ way and I’ve been here waiting for 10 or 15 min. I’m in a bad spot here.”
”Are you ahead of me you think?”
Reidy “I don’t know”

It went on like that for a while, with a failed attempt to have Reidy enter my coordinates into his GPS and a horn honking episode that also failed to bring results. Then we started describing mountains, like the one that looks like a nipple, and the one with some towers on it. After a couple min of this, and confirming we were looking at the same mountains, Reidy just started riding the track again. We figured if we could get together we could figure out what to do next. I described the trail as I recalled it, and he described what he saw as he went. First a nicely graded section on a hill, some hard chalky type dirt, then a structure of some sort on top of a hill to the left. As I described that, he said “It’s right in front of me!” About 2 min later I saw a headlight bouncing down a hillside and heard the rumble of the big Katoom.

In the meantime, 4Play had gotten way out in front of us. And after some time, he stopped and waited a while, then turned and came back looking for me. I didn’t hear him coming, but he stopped about a quarter mile before reaching my stopping point. So now, 4Play is sitting in the dark, alone and wondering where in the F*&^ everybody went!

I don’t recall who called who, but Reidy and 4Play connected soon after Reidy got to my location. We rode ahead and within a few seconds came upon 4Play. Whew! From there on it was just a matter of riding a semi-rocky and rutted up trail out of the desert in the dark. We ran across a border patrol officer out there and asked him to keep an eye out for Cyberdos, and he agreed to do so. Then a few min later, Reidy got a voice mail that Cyberdos had made it to a highway and was going to slab it into Patagonia. Double Whew!

After that, the ride out was rather pleasant. (Thanks to 4Play for letting me share his killer headlight as he rode just off my left flank all the way out, and we didn’t even run into each other!) We even saw a Coos Deer and a bunch of Jack Rabbits.

I took a few pics on day 2, but was mostly too busy having fun to stop.

De-wiring Cyberdos to prevent further electrocution. (He can tell that story)

Waiting to regroup

4Play at the regroup spot

Later on in a wash heading toward Benson

Refocus on the gas

YBRacing riding sweep for our sub-group. Day 2 we practiced more bump and run and had better luck.

An interesting downhill, rocky switchback on the trail led into a nice shady spot by a creek. We were all ready for a break by then.

I have two other shorter stories to throw in. We came across several border patrol checkpoints along the way, and our fearless leader didn’t have his green card with him. I about busted a nut at the first one when Reidy and I pulled up and the officer asked if we were US Citizens. Reidy has a pretty thick Aussie accent, but when the officer asked him that question, his one word answer of “Yup” in his best American cowboy imitation totally caught me by surprise and gave me a good laugh.

Lastly, on the paved portion heading north out of Benson, with only 4 riders and the truck in our group, we were moving along at a fast pace. One of the flowing hills was close enough to a jump that I thought I better see what happens when MilT hits it at speed. In my mirror I saw blue sky under all 4 wheels when he launched, and couldn’t believe there weren’t parts scattered from the impact. It was a beauty!

Sometimes the troubles you have on a ride make it even more memorable. The good news is we didn't kill or maim anything but tires and tubes.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:00 AM   #10
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GPS tracks available? This looks like fun.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:18 AM   #11
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:21 AM   #12
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BigE and Monte, start of day 1

Drew and YB, our Host Thank you ! Big bike friendly back by noon they said ! ( Brad and Steve in Backround)

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Old 10-08-2013, 11:25 AM   #13
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Charlie and Eric , awaiting the chase truck

Brad , Julio and Monte

YB, Drew and Buddy

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Old 10-08-2013, 11:27 AM   #14
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waiting for ?

This cant be good ?

I swear, I wasnt going 80 mph ! ( Uncle MilT , and wheres the Ghost?)

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Old 10-08-2013, 12:03 PM   #15
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Bret aka Ghost will be posting his pics etc. after work.

It was definitely a very ambitious weekend. Glad we could do it and support you guys. Bret and I have not as hard as we did in a long time on both days. First our adventure with the Fish and Game Guys. We did blow the check point but in all fairness it really did look like a Score Checkpoint for special speed section and the Ghost thought I said GOOOO! when I said slow. All I know is that Fish and Game Officers don't like getting dusted when they are in their lawn chairs in the middle of the desert. Did you know that all open roads that are not posted are 35 mph in Arizona? We do.. KNOW!!!
Oh and the British Version Reidy was referring to is the right hand drive of my Raptor. It's really cool. It gives a whole new perspective of driving off road and being a passenger. All I can say is a quality Dad will sacrifice a lot for his children. Including almost taking a bullet, going to jail, getting a ticket etc. etc. It pays to be friendly, courteous, have your hands out of your pockets and have a clean record. Oh and the gift of B.Sing. It gets a couple miles knocked off a speed ticket sometimes. Like about 30 mph in this case. 55 in a 35 shouldn't cost to much I hope.

On day 2 again the Ghost took over after lunch to help relieve an old mans tired body. Well after a few miles on nice paved road and seeing the scenic neighbor hoods just north of I-10 heading north to Mammoth, I got to play co-astronaut with the Ghost. As AZRedline said, we had blue sky under us. The float time off the paved roller felt like floating down the face of a 15 foot wave. All I can say is I'm pretty sure I saw the space station go by at one point. It was the hard landing anticipation I was not sure about for this one. The truck has been in the air a few times. 1-2 feet is one thing. 5-8 feet is another. A stock truck would definitely have cause the notorious Raptor frame bend and a couple of blown out shocks I'm sure. I guess my upgrades and reinforcing certain areas paid off. Thanks RPG and Fox for good race quality parts. The landing was flat with no terrible rebound. Landed like it was supposed to but it was glorious to know we had survived. We made a quick stop to make sure the tires still had air and that they were also pointing in the right direction and looked at each other an laughed in our best Sean Pin, Ridgemont high voice
KNARLY DUDE!! off we go with everything running as normal. We did get the obligatory thumbs up from AZRedline just after the jump.
The truck faired excellent the entire trip. The only real issue was a sliced tire in the rocks that could have been avoided had I been looking a little closer.
A little AZ. pinstripe occurred but this is not a street queen by any means and I am VERY happy with it's performance. I have prerun for the Baja 500 and 1000 a few times in the past and this was pretty much just like that experience.
We got to spend great quality time with friends on an adventure this weekend with an epic ride and experiences that none of us will ever forget.
Thanks guys for letting us come along. I hope we proved our worth as a support truck and will get invited again.

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