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Wait your turn in line, rude dog! 28 28.87%
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:43 AM   #1
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right turn etiquette

You're sitting in your car at a stoplight, waiting to turn right because a car in front of you is going straight and there's no turn lane. Your blinker is on. A motorcyclist passes between you and the curb, and turns right.

Rude? Unfair? Or acceptable, if the room is there?
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:53 AM   #2
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Rude/fair/whatever.

If the situation is reversed what is your opinion. If continuing straight, do you pull your bike forward and to the left so the cars behind you can squeeze through and make the right turn.

I do.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:07 AM   #3
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Rude/fair/whatever.

If the situation is reversed what is your opinion. If continuing straight, do you pull your bike forward and to the left so the cars behind you can squeeze through and make the right turn.

I do.
I do too. I will even wave them by. Long as its done at a reasonable slow speed, no harm done
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:11 AM   #4
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If it fits, it ships.

If I'm turning right in my truck and can get by with more than 3" clearance on either side I'll do it, and I wouldn't expect anyone else not to.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:15 AM   #5
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It's honestly never even crossed my mind that someone might think it's rude. If I can squeeze by without leaving a clutch lever scrape down the side of the car then I'm going for it. And yes, if I'm on the bike or in the truck and I'm going straight I try to leave enough space for right turners behind me to make it through.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:29 AM   #6
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I say let him, but wouldn't do it myself. People do dumb things like turn right without blinkers right into bikes, other cars, pedestrians, ditches, etc.

In this situation I move aside for right turners especially a bike, just being polite I guess. Live and let live. I don't own the road.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:11 PM   #7
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Rude/fair/whatever.

If the situation is reversed what is your opinion. If continuing straight, do you pull your bike forward and to the left so the cars behind you can squeeze through and make the right turn.

I do.
I do that in my car if the car behind me has his signal on. Its courtesy imho.

If he was on a bike I'd do the same thing, only while wishing I was on my bike also.
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:57 AM   #8
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Not really legal in much of the US, but I do it a lot on a scooter. Of course I also park on sidewalks.

The best thing is to be polite to others when driving or riding. Think about how your actions impact them.

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Old 10-10-2013, 07:04 AM   #9
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Dangerous. Your view of oncoming traffic, and their view of you is limited by any cars on your left.

Rude or no, it's a dangerous move.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:52 AM   #10
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Dangerous. Your view of oncoming traffic, and their view of you is limited by any cars on your left.

Rude or no, it's a dangerous move.
If it's dangerous, so is any right-hand turn on red when there's a car in the left-turn lane. Depending on the intersection, most people inch forward until they can see what they need to see. And most people don't get hit.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:02 AM   #11
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I agree with the dangerous commenters. I've seen too many impatient drivers that got tired of waiting for the guy in front to turn left or just changed his mind at the last minute and whipped out at the last minute. I think it depends on the situation but I always ere on the side of safety.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:04 AM   #12
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Safe and fair.

If the car could squeeze by and make the right turn it would do so. No reason at all for the bike not to too.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:12 PM   #13
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I agree not the safest move. If the car in front of me isn't turning I would squeak by however if there is one or more cars waiting to turn I wait.

I'm just not in that big of a hurry.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:54 AM   #14
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If it's dangerous, so is any right-hand turn on red when there's a car in the left-turn lane. Depending on the intersection, most people inch forward until they can see what they need to see. And most people don't get hit.
Guess it depends on the circumstances. The intersection I had in my mind could be a killer, but I guess under some circumstances (slower or more predictable traffic) I'd be more comfortable.

The difference between squeezing in and another vehicle in a left lane is the gap. When you're a foot from a minivan you're invisible. When you're 8 feet from a Camry you're visibility goes up.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:32 AM   #15
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(EDIT: I think the post I was responding to was nuked.
Here it is: "This. I've seen cars do it to semis and get hit. It's stupid to let your impatience put you in a dangerous situation.")

Isn't it all about being aware and choosing the safe option?

How many of these cars drove to the right of a semi with a right blinker on? Probably most of them. Some folks put so little thought into driving they simply ignore all the clues.

For those who do assess the situation and consider the possibilities this type of right turn can be done safely, when the conditions allow.

If the circumstances don't allow this safely, don't do it.

If a rider doesn't want to assess the situation and weigh the data before committing, don't do it.

Every situation is different. As many examples can be made for one argument as for the other. Bottom line is more about situational awareness than any gross generalization stating that it "always" safe or unsafe to do so.

Granted, for those whose life is full of belief in such generalizations it is probably best that they act as safely as possible, mostly because their mindset will hinder the process of assessment.

As always, YMMV.
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