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Old 01-17-2014, 04:18 PM   #1
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Arizonans: OHV process for a new bike for dummies?

I just bought a 2013 Tiger 800XC from GoAZ in Scottsdale last week.

I want to have it registered OHV and take advantage of the $30 registration rate rather than paying the $275 registration the state wants for a conventional motorcycle.

GoAZ was hesitant to do this, then researched it and said I could, but that they couldn't print me a temporary tag. I paid them $37 in registration fees on closing.

I have nothing in the mail at this point.


Assuming the worst and that I need to restart the whole process over again, what is the step-by-step process to register a brand new virgin never registered before vehicle in AZ and pay the OHV rate rather than the regular motorcycle rate? I'm tired of waiting and having zero paperwork to protect myself.

I can't seem to find anything on the AZDOT/dmv website, or on service arizona.
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:32 PM   #2
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I can tell you this, I wouldn't waste my time with the DMV without first trying a third part authorized DMV.. try L&J motor vehicle services. They are close to GOAZ and can probably get you on the road.

14770 N 78th Way # A
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
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Ahh noticed you are in mesa... there is another place on Scottsdale road and McDowell that is good too. The Lady that runs the place is very knowledgeable.

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Old 01-17-2014, 06:20 PM   #3
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all you need to do it reg it as MC primarily off road, let them know you want that right from the start.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:42 PM   #4
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I just bought a 2013 Tiger 800XC from GoAZ in Scottsdale last week.

I want to have it registered OHV and take advantage of the $30 registration rate rather than paying the $275 registration the state wants for a conventional motorcycle.

GoAZ was hesitant to do this, then researched it and said I could, but that they couldn't print me a temporary tag. I paid them $37 in registration fees on closing.

I have nothing in the mail at this point.


Assuming the worst and that I need to restart the whole process over again, what is the step-by-step process to register a brand new virgin never registered before vehicle in AZ and pay the OHV rate rather than the regular motorcycle rate? I'm tired of waiting and having zero paperwork to protect myself.

I can't seem to find anything on the AZDOT/dmv website, or on service arizona.
You confuse me... In AZ they generally don't mail stuff. They even print your new TITLE on the spot. Did you actually go to the MVD ?

You go in... tell them what you want... they charge you... hand you plates and stickers and send you on your way.

Take the title to the MVD... Tell them that you just bought the vehicle... and you want the PRIMARILY OFF ROAD plate and registration. You will get a license plate that looks just like a MC plate but it will have the letters RV on it instead.

Get caught driving around town and you'll wish you had bought the MC plate instead.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:00 PM   #5
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You confuse me... In AZ they generally don't mail stuff. They even print your new TITLE on the spot. Did you actually go to the MVD ?

You go in... tell them what you want... they charge you... hand you plates and stickers and send you on your way.

Take the title to the MVD... don't waste $30 on some third party clowns. Tell MVD that you just bought the vehicle... and you want the PRIMARILY OFF ROAD plate and registration. You will get a license plate that looks just like a MC plate but it will have the letters RV on it instead.

Get caught driving around town and you'll wish you had bought the MC plate instead.
Mostly true. You don't get an rv plate when you register primarily off road. You get a motorcycle plate, pay 25.00 for the ohv sticker, and it makes your registration drop to like 7.00. It's around 30.00 total for registration and ohv sticker when you claim primarily off road.
And you can definately ride around town with it. It's primarily off road, not exclusively off road.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:14 PM   #6
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Mostly true. You don't get an rv plate when you register primarily off road. You get a motorcycle plate, pay 25.00 for the ohv sticker, and it makes your registration drop to like 7.00. It's around 30.00 total for registration and ohv sticker when you claim primarily off road.
And you can definately ride around town with it. It's primarily off road, not exclusively off road.
It doesn't mean you can go buy milk and pick up your dry cleaning. You are allowed to connect OHV trails with it. Enforcement is up to the cop of the moment of course.

MVD was very clear when I asked the dif between primarily ON vs OFF road plates. I was told twice that the Primarily off road use plate would have the RV vs MC in the numbers. But I opted for MC.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:40 PM   #7
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thats not true jeff, whomever you spoke to didnt know what they were talking about.

RV plates are OFF ROAD only, non reg, its just a means to have something to stick the OHV sticker to.

primary off road gives you the MC plate with the option to purchase OHV sticker and reduced reg.

primary on road gives you the MC plate w/o the option for reduced reg and OHV sticker.

however i have seen all kinds of crap,,, you prolly have the OHV sticker and reduced reg with your primary on road checked box right?

thats not right but they do it cause not even the MVD knows whats going on,,, did you know that factory dual sport bikes dont need the OHV tag and the law cant give you a ticket for it,,, but try to argue that after you get a ticket, nobody knows the laws they are serving.
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OK, what if I don't have the title because I financed a portion of the bike and the title is in lein with the lender?
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:38 PM   #9
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thats not true jeff, whomever you spoke to didnt know what they were talking about.

RV plates are OFF ROAD only, non reg, its just a means to have something to stick the OHV sticker to.

primary off road gives you the MC plate with the option to purchase OHV sticker and reduced reg.

primary on road gives you the MC plate w/o the option for reduced reg and OHV sticker.

however i have seen all kinds of crap,,, you prolly have the OHV sticker and reduced reg with your primary on road checked box right?

thats not right but they do it cause not even the MVD knows whats going on,,, did you know that factory dual sport bikes dont need the OHV tag and the law cant give you a ticket for it,,, but try to argue that after you get a ticket, nobody knows the laws they are serving.
Mine are all MC plates... primary on road use... and the additional OHV sticker to boot. I never cheaped out to game the system. Primarily OFFROAD isn't for doing errands and cruising about town. It's to drive from one OHV area to another directly. They were very clear about this. What the cops do or don't do to enforce it I cannot say.

I don't know why a dual sport would be exempt from paying OHV fees. Even a Jeeper that wants to play off road in AZ has to buy an OHV sticker to go on his street plate. There is nothing about dual sports that changes how AZ collects OHV fees. It is never added into the reg fees for a plated vehicle car, truck or bike... even on renewals it is paid separately.

So I can only tell what I was told. Two different ladies at two different offices gave me the same info. I've registered and titled 7 vehicles in AZ in the past 18 months.

Not saying you are wrong... just saying it don't logic out the way you are splainin it to me given what I have seen personally.
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Old 01-18-2014, 06:09 AM   #10
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I'm tired of waiting and having zero paperwork to protect myself.

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Then you should have just registered the bike in the proper manner.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:31 AM   #11
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This is an excellent discussion, and a lot of useful information for people who wish to register OHV vehicles... however, excuse me while I step around the HUGE elephant in the room - both metaphorically and literally!

The OP has just bought a Triumph Tiger 800XC - that is barely an 'off-road' motorcycle at all, never mind one you'd use regularly in an OHV park?

Surely you'd save a lot of grief by just registering it in the usual way? - you can't be that short of cash if you've just bought a 2013 model!

Just my 2c to go towards your regular motorcycle fee ;o)

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Old 01-28-2014, 08:06 AM   #12
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Its really not an elephant. The law is very clear its law enforcement that is having difficulty. There getting better but still have a ways to go.
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this is an excellent discussion, and a lot of useful information for people who wish to register ohv vehicles... However, excuse me while i step around the huge elephant in the room - both metaphorically and literally!

The op has just bought a triumph tiger 800xc - that is barely an 'off-road' motorcycle at all, never mind one you'd use regularly in an ohv park?

Surely you'd save a lot of grief by just registering it in the usual way? - you can't be that short of cash if you've just bought a 2013 model!

Just my 2c to go towards your regular motorcycle fee ;o)

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Old 01-29-2014, 04:26 AM   #14
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Use in an OHV park is not relevant to the discussion. The OHV Decal law pertains to dirt road, dirt trail, and designated OHV area use. Based upon what the manufacture is putting out there, the Triumph TIger 800XC is a dual sport.
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bi...4/tiger-800-xc
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If you own a factory dual sport and choose to purchase a OHV Decal + MC registration and sign the affidavit stating it "is designed by the manufacture primarily for travel over unimproved terrain"...you are placing yourself in a grey area of the law. Due to various agency level interpretations of the law, this may or may not be legal. I'm guessing the MVD will lock this down if you guys keep making a stink about it. Think about it, you buy a $10K plus dual sport and register OHV+MC, they lose a lot of tax revenue. If the law changes, this will be one of the leading reasons. In the mean time, you have been warned :)
The bottom line is a Triumph Tiger XC800 is a 450lb motorcycle, clearly designed for primary ON ROAD use, with some off-highway capability... it is clearly not a 'dual sport' in the traditional sense (ie. a lightweight thumper, with minimal concessions to extended highway use) - it is obviously an 'Adventure Touring' motorcycle plain and simple, which by it's nature is going to see far more miles on paved highways than it ever will off-road.

People can argue semantics all they want, but quite frankly anyone trying to register a Triumph Tiger (or BMW GS or even a KTM 990 Adventure) as an OHV and primarily 'off-highway use' vehicle is either deluded, or outright lying - just to save a few $$$s in registration.

Go ahead an exploit the current loophole if you like, but as Jeff says - you are only going to f**k it up for others in the near future.

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