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Old 02-03-2014, 03:13 PM   #1
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Vehicle to Vehicle communications for Safety

Definite mixed feelings about this;

US DOT has been studying V2V comm systems that will allow vehicles to to keep tabs on each other.
Read about it here;
http://www.its.dot.gov/research/v2v.htm

I sure hope aftermarket boxes are available, 'cause I don't want to be riding a moto without a transponder in the midst of a bunch of drivers who figure they don't need to pay any attention to what's going on around them because the computer will warn them.

OTH, if it could eliminate or greatly reduce SMDSY's, I'd be all for it.

What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons of this? I can see benefits for bikes if the bike can transmit it's position to the cars nearby. What about cars telling the bike about their presence? At stop lights, for example? Yes, WE'RE supposed to be paying attention too, but sometimes attention slips.

Do you see benefits for car to bike V2V?
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:14 PM   #2
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I sure hope aftermarket boxes are available, 'cause I don't want to be riding a moto without a transponder in the midst of a bunch of drivers who figure they don't need to pay any attention to what's going on around them because the computer will warn them.
I thought of the same thing this morning.

"I don't have to look at the road cuz my car takes care of it for me"


I'd rather we went straight to driverless cars.
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:30 AM   #3
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I'd rather we went straight to driverless cars.
I'm thinking that has already happened, and this is the crux of the problem ...
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:57 AM   #4
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Also retrofit to every deer, cow, buffalo, dog, cat, squirrel, pedestrian, crocodile, kangaroo, bicyclist, and truck tire carcass that might be found on a roadway. Then throw in the random slamming on brakes for no reason factor, GPS losing signal (usually at the end of a compounding GPS margin of error), someone's sensors get blocked from road debris or smashed bugs...

And do it all at once, because a mix of some have it, some don't could get really ugly.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:13 AM   #5
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Definite mixed feelings about this;

US DOT has been studying V2V comm systems that will allow vehicles to to keep tabs on each other.
Read about it here;
http://www.its.dot.gov/research/v2v.htm

I sure hope aftermarket boxes are available, 'cause I don't want to be riding a moto without a transponder in the midst of a bunch of drivers who figure they don't need to pay any attention to what's going on around them because the computer will warn them.

OTH, if it could eliminate or greatly reduce SMDSY's, I'd be all for it.

What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons of this? I can see benefits for bikes if the bike can transmit it's position to the cars nearby. What about cars telling the bike about their presence? At stop lights, for example? Yes, WE'RE supposed to be paying attention too, but sometimes attention slips.

Do you see benefits for car to bike V2V?
Since the security on this technology is laughable, I'd avoid it like the plague. It's 802.11. Basically a wireless LAN. If it also acts as a router to transmit information elsewhere "for your safety" it will probably be pretty easy to hack. Even more so if you can't change the admin password, which is always posted on the web somewhere.

As an example, the system for monitoring tire pressure runs on bluetooth and has been shown to be incredibly easy to hack from as far away as 100 meters. Once they're in, it doesn't take much to play with things like lights, wipers, engine speed, brakes, anything else the computer controls . . .

You can be sure some geek will find a way in and play with it. Maybe even the NSA if its a foreign car as they are busy hacking companies like Siemens for trade secrets our pharma industry can use.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:50 PM   #6
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I wonder how the system will react when two vehicles on an intercept course that look like they will collide...but one is on a surface road and the other is on the overpass?

And our Government wants this in place by 2016??? Most manufacturers can't even approve a new color in 3 years
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:06 PM   #7
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Frankly this scare the crap out of me. Auto manufacturers are notoriously bad at securing electronic systems that have any kind of software. Also since it is pretty much an open system by design it wouldn't be hard to build a transmitter unit with specious info for the purposes of gaming the system or using it to cause mayhem. I'm all for safety but most of the driving aids have had all most no effect on safety. They just become on more thing to make everyone's most deadly activity require less attention. Doesn't matter if you are not paying attention, the car will stop for you. Truthfully in the US we just need to do what we can to subsidize mass transit. With efficient mass transit, the only people driving are the ones who want to be, and they tend to be slightly more engaged.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:35 AM   #8
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How about having people take actual real driving lessons?! you know, like actually teach them driving...

sometimes you guys over the pond have things completely backwards
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:34 AM   #9
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How about having people take actual real driving lessons?! you know, like actually teach them driving...

sometimes you guys over the pond have things completely backwards
It's planned in Europe as well.
And a lot of other incredibly stupid things as well.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:06 AM   #10
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I'm actually OK with it, on its face, for car/truck traffic. It would be nice to take the cagers who are already barely paying attention to driving out of the equation entirely. Improving the predictability of the traffic around me is a good thing. That said, I sure as hell don't want it on my motos, and I would definitely want the ability to turn it off if I felt like taking control. And I know there's a huge potential for abuse of the system, which could conceivably far outweigh the usefulness of implementing it.

All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:31 AM   #11
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"All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me. "

I don't know about this. When I first heard this story on the news the other night my first thought was "Oh great, a device that will allow people to pay even less attention to what's going on around them!" I'm with the folks who posted previously - we need drivers to pay MORE attention and develop better skills, not make it even easier for them to ignore what's going on around them until it's too late.

I had a conversation with a 21 y.o. friend of the family recently who was complaining that she needed ADHD drugs because she just couldn't keep up with her school work and all the other demands on her attention. My suggestion was to put down the cell phone, log off FaceBook and Twitter, turn off the music, turn off the TV, quit smoking dope and drinking every day, quit trying to study in the middle of a party, etc. and see if that helps before you turn to some unnecessary drug. It's just bad habits, or more precisely a lack of good habits, that are the problem here. She looked at me like I was a total idiot - why do something that's demanding and difficult if I can just pop a pill and magically be a model student??

Same story with hands-free parallel parking assist and other things that allow people to never learn any skills or pay any attention. I fail to see how these things will lead to anything but chaos, especially since some vehicles will have it and a lot won't.

I even hate the fact that my car locks it's fooking doors when I shift it into Drive... If I want the damned doors locked, I'll hit the damned button myself!

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Old 02-08-2014, 06:28 AM   #12
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"All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me. "

I don't know about this. When I first heard this story on the news the other night my first thought was "Oh great, a device that will allow people to pay even less attention to what's going on around them!" I'm with the folks who posted previously - we need drivers to pay MORE attention and develop better skills, not make it even easier for them to ignore what's going on around them until it's too late.
Well, yeah, if we could get everyone (or almost everyone) to put down their phones/quit applying makeup/stop fiddling with the radio and pay attention to their driving, that would be great. I'd rather have that than some automated system that has a lot of potential for serious abuse. I was just saying that if an automatic driver system were put in place, and it worked properly, that would most likely result in a vast improvement over the current quality and safety of traffic on the roads in general. I certainly have my doubts that any such system would be implemented responsibly and effectively, though.

A somewhat unrelated point: with all this talk about wanting to get commuters to work in a mode of transportation that doesn't require their attention or input - don't we already have that, in the form of public transportation? The guy on the train doesn't have to watch the rails. The lady on the bus can safely text all the way to work. Why not expand on the systems we already have - the ones that don't expose us to huge privacy and security risks?
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:52 AM   #13
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Everything's hackable. Sooner or later, someone will find out how to get into any ECU and change or turn on/off just about any function. The one in my Ducati has been reflashed to turn off the closed loop/O2 sensor function and the fuel and spark maps have been altered for pure performance.

The ECU in my truck sits out in the engine compartment, and I can remove it in a few minutes if necessary, which is something I might do if I thought someone was going to prowl through it. It doesn't have a GPS function, though.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:33 AM   #14
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I've used a two way radio which is hooked into my autocom and chatted with my kids on another radio in a nearby vehicle..

It was fun.
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