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Old 07-15-2014, 02:28 PM   #1
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A question for LEOs, a little long.

Situation: I have a good friend (Iron Butt Rider) who gets pulled over for speeding with regularity, yet seldom gets a ticket. He's 73 yo, (His IB number is in the low 70s if that tells you anything) Last time he was stopped, no ticket, he was clocked at 88 in a 55. The last time he actually got a ticket, he was stopped 3 times in the same state (AZ) the last cop to stop him checked and saw that he'd been stopped two other times that day....and wrote him the ticket.

I've asked him how the hell he talks his way out of tickets and he becomes rather vague. But what I know about him is:

1. He's always ATGATT.
2. He rides one of two or three well maintained BMWs.
3. He has gray hair and never cops an attitude.
4. He has his DL, insurance papers, concealed carry permit etc. all handy and ready to be handed over to the officer. Seldom carries a gun, but says that the CC permit puts the officer at ease.
5. He's never "hot dogging" nor riding unsafely.......just speeding.

My question for LEOs is: What's your take on this situation and what would incline/disincline you to ticket this guy?
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:40 PM   #2
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Does he include a copy of his bucket list to, just for some extra sympathy?
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:52 PM   #3
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Well, one other thing I can tell you about him is that he's been known, when he knows he's been busted, to pull over and wait for the cop to pull in behind him. He usually says something like "I knew you had me, just wanted to save you the trouble of chasin' me down". But the "bucket list"....not that I'm aware of.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:09 PM   #4
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Its been my experience that most cops have decided if you are, or are not going to get a ticket before they pull you over. I think most of them aren't going to give you one if you weren't doing anything really stupid and you are wearing all the gear, have insurance, a current registration, up to date inspection sticker and valid drivers license and don't cop an attitude. Any of those amiss or get belligerent and uncooperative, then all bets are off.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:18 PM   #5
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Ernest, no offense, but what do you base your comments on? Just askin', again no offense intended.

I'd still really like to hear from LEOs.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:12 PM   #6
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Being old really helps. Full gear and looking like a responsible rider matters to me but probably not some cops.

Its kind of a crap shoot. I dont write many tickets but some officers pretty much write a ticket every time they make a stop.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:10 AM   #7
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Ernest, no offense, but what do you base your comments on? Just askin', again no offense intended.

I'd still really like to hear from LEOs.

From my experience. I've probably been stopped once a year the past ten years for exceeding the speed limit a little (less than 15 over). I've gotten one ticket out of those stops and that guy didn't even speak to me except for holding out his hand and saying "License and insurance please" The stop didn't last ten minutes start to end. All the rest started with something like "Where you going in such a hurry this morning?" Obviously the one guy had decided to give me the ticket before he got out of the car and the others hadn't made up their mind yet.

Now, as to why I don't get a ticket the great majority of the time? I guess that's up to conjecture, but I've got grey hair, ride a touring bike most of the time, I'm geared up and all my documentation is in order--registration, inspection, DL etc. My DL also says I'm a Veteran so that probably helps. Then this, I'm always respectful to the officer, look at his name tag and call him by his rank and name. Hell, I know I was breaking the law and that at that point the only thing between me and a ticket is goodwill.

For the one ticket, I went to court and asked to speak to the district attorney. He put me on deferred adjudication and probation for 90 days. No new ticket for 90 days and the original goes away. The cost was almost exactly the same as paying the ticket.
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:58 AM   #8
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Well, one other thing I can tell you about him is that he's been known, when he knows he's been busted, to pull over and wait for the cop to pull in behind him. He usually says something like "I knew you had me, just wanted to save you the trouble of chasin' me down". But the "bucket list"....not that I'm aware of.
The last time I got pulled over for speeding I saw the deputy turning around (he was going to the opposite direction) and I just pulled over and waited for him.

He asked why I had pulled over and I told him I saw him turn and figured he probably wanted to talk to me. He gave me a hard look, checked my license/registration/insurance, and sent me on my way with a warning.

Showing a bit of respect can go a long way.

I also have LEO friends who never write speeding tickets because they don't want to have to go to traffic court (they work drug interdiction, so as long as you don't have drugs when they stop you it's all good).
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:27 PM   #9
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LEO here. O boy here we go.....

First of all "cops" is a very general term referring to a group of people that come from every walk of life, have every variable life experience including every socioeconomic, educational, racial, gender, religious and otherwise divide you could imagine.

Add to all of that cops (speaking here merely of the ones in marked police cars) have different roles. There's traffic cops, beat cops, community policing cops, rural cops, city cops, highway cops, commercial vehicle cops....Hell, FL even has special cops assigned just to "aggressive drivers". Every one of them has a different expectation put upon them and then add to that supervisory, community and political pressures.

The point of all of that is to say there is no silver bullet. Every encounter with a police officer is a unique one for both of you.

That being said here is my (and most police officers I know) philosophy on every traffic stop, "What is the minimum level of enforcement necessary to affect this drivers behavior?"

I hope you would understand at this point that LEO's are people not robots. We do feel compassion although that compassion is tempered by the multitudes who have lied to us before.

So given the scenario below and add to it that he's over 70 I can see an LEO having compassion for an old guy and assuming that he wasn't intentionally breaking the law because he is otherwise clearly being a very safe rider.

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1. He's always ATGATT.
2. He rides one of two or three well maintained BMWs.
3. He has gray hair and never cops an attitude.
4. He has his DL, insurance papers, concealed carry permit etc. all handy and ready to be handed over to the officer. Seldom carries a gun, but says that the CC permit puts the officer at ease.
5. He's never "hot dogging" nor riding unsafely.......just speeding.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:31 PM   #10
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Law Enforcement is the 7th most popular job for Psychopath's, just say'n .

But the old fart probley does the Obie Wan Kanobie, " These aren't the
droids you're looking for" trick. You don't get old with out learning a trick or 2.

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Old 07-15-2014, 04:50 PM   #11
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Law Enforcement is the 7th most popular job for Psychopath's, just say'n
And you can provide proof of this?

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Old 07-15-2014, 04:59 PM   #12
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And you can provide proof of this?

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It was in a psych book I read years ago,lawyer/politician was 3rd. I'm trying
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:02 PM   #13
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It was in a psych book I read years ago,lawyer/politician was 3rd. I'm trying
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I'm not saying you're wrong or a liar, but if you're gonna put out a stat like that you should have references and a list of what the others in the top 10 are.

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Old 07-16-2014, 10:56 PM   #14
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But the old fart probley does the Obie Wan Kanobie, " These aren't the
droids you're looking for" trick. You don't get old with out learning a trick or 2.
+1, This has always worked for me, even better now that I'm older than all the cops.
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:09 AM   #15
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Law Enforcement is the 7th most popular job for Psychopath's, just say'n .

But the old fart probley does the Obie Wan Kanobie, " These aren't the
droids you're looking for" trick. You don't get old with out learning a trick or 2.

"Obie Wan Kanobie"...that cracked me up.
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