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Old 07-27-2014, 08:39 AM   #1
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Beginning of the end for CA bikers?

http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...om-chp-website
I did not know about these guidelines until now, they seem very sensible, with the exception that you need to keep an eye in the mirror for the kids...
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:12 AM   #2
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The way I read that, the guidelines are being treated like sex education. Better not to promote it, or even to discuss how to do it safely. Don't think that means it's going to become illegal.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:30 AM   #3
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Honestly can't believe that splitting lanes is legal in CA, of all places. But it's only legal because there is not a law that specifically prohibits it. Had read those guidelines before, while searching for laws regarding lane-splitting. Can see how guidelines could be interpreted as some kind of rules to follow, but there are no laws regarding lane-splitting. Would not surprise me at all if CA outlaws lane-splitting, but doubt it'll have anything to do with this. Someone just got upset because they thought law enforcement officers were endorsing it by publishing those guidelines. There's something about it in the CA DMV handbook too. Wonder if they'll remove it.
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Old 07-27-2014, 05:42 PM   #4
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Honestly can't believe that splitting lanes is legal in CA, of all places. But it's only legal because there is not a law that specifically prohibits it. Had read those guidelines before, while searching for laws regarding lane-splitting. Can see how guidelines could be interpreted as some kind of rules to follow, but there are no laws regarding lane-splitting. Would not surprise me at all if CA outlaws lane-splitting, but doubt it'll have anything to do with this. Someone just got upset because they thought law enforcement officers were endorsing it by publishing those guidelines. There's something about it in the CA DMV handbook too. Wonder if they'll remove it.
I honestly can't understand why lane splitting is illegal in much of the USA, when it is legal and normal in most of the rest of the world… It certainly is in all the 15 or more European, Asian and Oceanic countries I have ridden in.

It is encouraged in some, with a box at the front of the lane at traffic lights, that motorcycles can filter up to.

Perhaps it is because those big fat All American style motorcycles take up almost half as much space as a small car. The smaller, narrower machines that I am more familiar with, make much more efficient use of road space, and parking space.
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:32 AM   #5
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I honestly can't understand why lane splitting is illegal in much of the USA, when it is legal and normal in most of the rest of the world… It certainly is in all the 15 or more European, Asian and Oceanic countries I have ridden in.

It is encouraged in some, with a box at the front of the lane at traffic lights, that motorcycles can filter up to.

Perhaps it is because those big fat All American style motorcycles take up almost half as much space as a small car. The smaller, narrower machines that I am more familiar with, make much more efficient use of road space, and parking space.

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Drivers in the US think they're entitled. There is little courtesy here. Most would rather hog the road than allow someone to get by them... even if, like in lane splitting, it means sticking all those bikes in line taking up more space. Which would mean they add to their time on the road getting stuck at more traffic lights, etc due to the bikes taking up space.

Drivers here are about 80% fools.
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:33 AM   #6
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I read this thread and sold my bikes for a Smart Car.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:36 PM   #7
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Honestly can't believe that splitting lanes is legal in CA, of all places. But it's only legal because there is not a law that specifically prohibits it.
That's the only reason anything is legal. Because there's no law against it. In a free society, you are free to do anything, unless there is a law against it. You don't need a law to give permission to do something, unless it would be otherwise prohibited by another law.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:54 AM   #8
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That's the only reason anything is legal. Because there's no law against it. In a free society, you are free to do anything, unless there is a law against it. You don't need a law to give permission to do something, unless it would be otherwise prohibited by another law.
How free are we?
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:06 AM   #9
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The CHP will not let it be made illegal. If it is illegal, than they can't do it. And in the LA basin, they need to be able to split lanes to respond to accidents and other emergency calls where a car cannot make it.
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:07 AM   #10
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damn site freer than a vast majority of the countries in the world. Just look at the news, people fleeing countries overun by drug lords, women tortured and killed at supposed religious whims, infighting based on religious or regional ties... and on and on.

Tell me, what countries are freer?
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:53 AM   #11
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What a thread title! You sir are an asshat.
Nothing was remove, it was just move and made harder to find because a fellow asshat got his panties in a wad. Mkay?

The sky is not falling. We can even buy CHP helmets w/o the logo. Sheesh, get a grip.
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Old 07-27-2014, 01:43 PM   #12
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Yes, very lame thread title. Lane splitting might actually be embraced by this point if not for the buttplugs that abuse the privilage.
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:17 PM   #13
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The way I understand it lane splitting became legal in California because of the Olympics in 1984. It was nearly impossible to make it around the city with the increased traffic, couriers rode bikes and were able to split lanes to keep the commerce rolling... may not be true. Something I was told.
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:51 PM   #14
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The way I understand it lane splitting became legal in California because of the Olympics in 1984. It was nearly impossible to make it around the city with the increased traffic, couriers rode bikes and were able to split lanes to keep the commerce rolling... may not be true. Something I was told.
At age 8 in 1955, standing between my Dad's legs holding onto the Pontiac's streering wheel I can recall motorcycles passing between cars.

Lane sharing, splitting traffic or filtering has never been ill-eagle in California.

http://www.menifee247.com/2007/06/wh...s-legal-in.htm

"Lane splitting" is what someone does when he or she rides their motorcycle in between slow-moving cars on a freeway. The article says that this practice goes way back to the days when all motorcycles had air-cooled engines, and needed to keep moving to prevent overheating.

I suppose there's some truth to that, though today, many air-cooled motorcycles don't overheat when stopped on freeways.

The reason why California remains as the only state in the union to allow lane-splitting is because of safety.

Several years ago, lawmakers in Sacramento drafted a bill to make lane-splitting illegal, thinking it would save more lives. However, the California Highway Patrol lobbied against the bill, on grounds that it cause more bikers to die.

That is, if motorcyclists were forced to wait behind slow moving or stopped vehicles, they run the risk of getting rear-ended by other vehicles. This happens all too often on freeways, where drivers fail to pay attention to stopped traffic up ahead. Rear ending a motorcycle is almost always fatal for the biker.

That's why the CHP wants bikers to split lanes, to protect them from drivers not paying attention.

The CHP used accident fatality data compiled by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to show that a frequent cause of deaths in motorcycle accidents in other states are car drivers rear-ending motorcycles.

That's why the California State Legislature changed its mind and allowed lane-splitting to remain legal.

I put about 30,000 miles each year on my two motorcycles. I've witnessed many "rear-end" accidents between two cars on the freeway. When a car gets rear-ended, the driver usually survives. But when it happens to a motorcycle, the biker almost always dies. If lane-splitting were legal in all 50 states, a lot more people would be alive today.
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:24 PM   #15
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYszt...e_gdata_player

Jim Bronson splitting lanes in the opening sequence for the series "Then Came Bronson ".
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