BMW at the DAKAR - Page 3

barrier · 07-25-2010, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodwick

I snapped this in 2004 in Mauritania...

Pre-sunrise David Frétigné...

And two wheel drive if you look closely!

schattat · 07-26-2010, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodwick

I snapped this in 2004 in Mauritania...

Pre-sunrise David Frétigné...

Would love to own that rallye kit!

canadaler · 07-26-2010, 07:12 AM

You can tell from the picture that it's a high-dollar effort/team on the Yamaha...there's no oil dripping from the 2-Trac system into the sand

I've only ever seen a couple 2-TRAC Yammies at races and both drooled oil from the front drive system like Pavlov's dogs before dinner.

Chilly · 07-26-2010, 07:59 PM

Is there no one to weigh in on the design of the 2011 BMW450gs Rally????

Bodwick · 07-26-2010, 08:50 PM

Two of the 650 entrants from 2004...

Aussie66 · 07-26-2010, 11:09 PM

Design of the 450X.

I would suspect that the BMW will be based on the model riden by Frans Verhoeven. Central tank etc.

The new BMW/Husqvarna effort for Enduro/Motocross will use the BMW engine with a newly developed Husvarna frame and suspension, husky plastic. Yes the sprocketshaft again on the swingarm pivot for better traction and constant chain tension, the same as the BMW. This bike may be used as a platform for future rallies but I would think that time is too short to get that bike out and tested and rally prepped for the Dakar. The bike is not yet in the showrooms. TE449,TE511,TC449.

PS the engine is made by Kymco (Taiwan) to BMW spec's and tolerances. This has caused for some tension in the factory in Varese. For a 450 it is a fast engine, reliabilty has been an issue, Verhoeven has done a couple of engines last year and in the Challenge but believes that now the problems have been solved. An oil cooler has also been added.

Safariaddict · 07-26-2010, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schattat

Would love to own that rallye kit!

You can I know where there are two yamaha 2tracks for sale,Actually 3 one is brand new and the others are were raced in the 2004 Australian safari by an easy going rider then put in the shed.and I think one is up for sale. The reason I know this is every time I go to my mates place to bulid my rallye bike for the safari I see them sitting there getting no use. Must see if I can take one for a ride.

fetid_swamp · 07-27-2010, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie66

The new BMW/Husqvarna effort for Enduro/Motocross will use the BMW engine with a newly developed Husvarna frame and suspension, husky plastic. Yes the sprocketshaft again on the swingarm pivot for better traction and constant chain tension, the same as the BMW. This bike may be used as a platform for future rallies but I would think that time is too short to get that bike out and tested and rally prepped for the Dakar. The bike is not yet in the showrooms. TE449,TE511,TC449.

and they may be using the existing 450x to help clear the remnant models off the floor??? because......
these are coming...

http://www.mcnews.com.au/2011_Bikes/...C449/index.htm

stteve · 07-30-2010, 10:58 AM

Just got this news from Bert Duursma, (who developed the 30 liter fueltank for the G450RR)

Speedbrain BMW Rally Team enters the Dakar
A top result is the goal with a new race bike based on the BMW G 450 X

Team speedbrain enters the Dakar 2011 as a powerful newcomer. Riders for the German-based squad are 450cc specialist David Fretigne, of France, and Dutchman Frans Verhoeven. Portugal's Paulo Goncalves and Pedro Bianchi Prata are completing the BMW outfit racing with speedbrain technology. Speedbrain, who are operating the offroad factory team for BMW Motorrad Motorsport since a couple of years, have recently developed a distinctive rally bike based on the BMW G 450 X. Multi-time Dakar stage winner Verhoeven has been instrumental in the process as the development rider.

David Fretigne enters the Dakar 2011 with the ambition of winning the legendary event. "I signed with speedbrain with the clear goal of winning the Dakar. The decision didn´t come easy after 14 years of riding for a different brand. I see the co-operation with speedbrain as a major opportunity. I am totally confident in the team, its structure and competence. The way the BMW handles and the potential of the package is very impressive. Together we´re bringing a lot of experience to the table. We both know a thing or two about bike development, setup, fine-tuning and equipment in general. I´ve waited a long time for this moment. My ambition for many years has been to win the Dakar, and I´ve used all my abilities to work towards that goal. I´m highly convinced that it will now become reality."
In 2009, David Fretigne has been the first rider to reach a Dakar podium riding a 450cc machine.

The rally race bike takes advantage of the concept of the BMW 450 X, resulting in an exceptionally light and nimble motorcycle, yet very stable at higher speeds. The small silhouette of the machine ensures minimal air resistance, while the powerful and reliable BMW engine is the ideal powerplant - together forming a highly efficient combination. The 30-liter fuel tank is located at the center of the bike right under the seat, providing a handy and well-balanced setup.

Team manager Wolfgang Fischer adds: "The experience and know-how gathered through the collaboration with BMW Motorrad Motorsport has given speedbrain the perfect foundation to enter the Dakar with a modified BMW 450 X. The bike allows for an excellent weight distribution and provides an incredibly nimble feeling. The position of the tank made room for a new approach and the 450cc displacement rule fits nicely into the framework. The co-operation between speedbrain and Frans Verhoeven, who is a remarkable research and development rider, certainly comes to fruition. We are very happy to welcome David Fretigne in our team, who already underlined his speed on 450 cc bikes against much stronger engines of his competitiors. It is also a pleasure to support fast Paulo Goncalves and Pedro Bianchi Prata. Paulo recently won his first podium at the Vodafone Rally in Morocco, both portuguese riders are real team players. To make this happen has been a personal dream of mine. We´re in front of a new challenge, and we´re ready for it."

http://www.motorsport-communication....mid=39&lang=en

SafariBerg · 07-31-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stteve

Just got this news from Bert Duursma, (who developed the 30 liter fueltank for the G450RR)

Speedbrain BMW Rally Team enters the Dakar
A top result is the goal with a new race bike based on the BMW G 450 X

Team speedbrain enters the Dakar 2011 as a powerful newcomer. Riders for the German-based squad are 450cc specialist David Fretigne, of France, and Dutchman Frans Verhoeven. Portugal's Paulo Goncalves and Pedro Bianchi Prata are completing the BMW outfit racing with speedbrain technology.
http://www.motorsport-communication....mid=39&lang=en

no mention of Ze Helio and Viladoms ?? satellite team maybe ?

schattat · 07-31-2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SafariBerg

no mention of Ze Helio and Viladoms ?? satellite team maybe ?

Ze Hélio is using a Speedbrain BMW in the upcoming Sertoes rallye:

Never heard anything regarding Viladoms, though

schattat · 08-01-2010, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SafariBerg

see post #1

Mate, I meant I didn't hear anything new about him!

mtrehy · 08-01-2010, 11:48 PM

That BMW looks great and the speedbrain kit not ridiculously expensive.

I wonder if my wife would even notice if my old CRF turned into one of those....

stteve · 08-02-2010, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SafariBerg

no mention of Ze Helio and Viladoms ?? satellite team maybe ?

Hmm, the press release is about the 2011Dakar, maybe Helio and Villadoms aren't using a Beemer in that race.
I know Bert Duursma mentioned "a famous South-American rider that had won the Des sertoes before" as one of the people using a BMW in the Sertoes Rally, on a Dutch forum a few months ago.

Motorfiets · 08-02-2010, 07:37 AM

07-26-2010, 07:12 AM	#33
canadaler Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Southern Ontario Oddometer: 338	You can tell from the picture that it's a high-dollar effort/team on the Yamaha...there's no oil dripping from the 2-Trac system into the sand I've only ever seen a couple 2-TRAC Yammies at races and both drooled oil from the front drive system like Pavlov's dogs before dinner. __________________ '10 Gas Gas EC300 '08 Husaberg FE550 '09 Husqvarna TXC250 '84 Honda VT500FT Ascot Tuareg Rally 2009

07-26-2010, 08:50 PM	#35
Bodwick Odd Bod Joined: Jan 2003 Location: United Kingdom Oddometer: 969	Two of the 650 entrants from 2004... __________________ "And all the roads that lead to you are winding, And all the lights that light the way are blinding" Wonder wall.

07-30-2010, 10:58 AM	#39
stteve Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Below sealevel Oddometer: 328	Speedbrain BMW Rally Team Just got this news from Bert Duursma, (who developed the 30 liter fueltank for the G450RR) Speedbrain BMW Rally Team enters the Dakar A top result is the goal with a new race bike based on the BMW G 450 X Team speedbrain enters the Dakar 2011 as a powerful newcomer. Riders for the German-based squad are 450cc specialist David Fretigne, of France, and Dutchman Frans Verhoeven. Portugal's Paulo Goncalves and Pedro Bianchi Prata are completing the BMW outfit racing with speedbrain technology. Speedbrain, who are operating the offroad factory team for BMW Motorrad Motorsport since a couple of years, have recently developed a distinctive rally bike based on the BMW G 450 X. Multi-time Dakar stage winner Verhoeven has been instrumental in the process as the development rider. David Fretigne enters the Dakar 2011 with the ambition of winning the legendary event. "I signed with speedbrain with the clear goal of winning the Dakar. The decision didn´t come easy after 14 years of riding for a different brand. I see the co-operation with speedbrain as a major opportunity. I am totally confident in the team, its structure and competence. The way the BMW handles and the potential of the package is very impressive. Together we´re bringing a lot of experience to the table. We both know a thing or two about bike development, setup, fine-tuning and equipment in general. I´ve waited a long time for this moment. My ambition for many years has been to win the Dakar, and I´ve used all my abilities to work towards that goal. I´m highly convinced that it will now become reality." In 2009, David Fretigne has been the first rider to reach a Dakar podium riding a 450cc machine. The rally race bike takes advantage of the concept of the BMW 450 X, resulting in an exceptionally light and nimble motorcycle, yet very stable at higher speeds. The small silhouette of the machine ensures minimal air resistance, while the powerful and reliable BMW engine is the ideal powerplant - together forming a highly efficient combination. The 30-liter fuel tank is located at the center of the bike right under the seat, providing a handy and well-balanced setup. Team manager Wolfgang Fischer adds: "The experience and know-how gathered through the collaboration with BMW Motorrad Motorsport has given speedbrain the perfect foundation to enter the Dakar with a modified BMW 450 X. The bike allows for an excellent weight distribution and provides an incredibly nimble feeling. The position of the tank made room for a new approach and the 450cc displacement rule fits nicely into the framework. The co-operation between speedbrain and Frans Verhoeven, who is a remarkable research and development rider, certainly comes to fruition. We are very happy to welcome David Fretigne in our team, who already underlined his speed on 450 cc bikes against much stronger engines of his competitiors. It is also a pleasure to support fast Paulo Goncalves and Pedro Bianchi Prata. Paulo recently won his first podium at the Vodafone Rally in Morocco, both portuguese riders are real team players. To make this happen has been a personal dream of mine. We´re in front of a new challenge, and we´re ready for it." http://www.motorsport-communication....mid=39&lang=en __________________ Now-1977 YAMAHA XT500 - 1996 HONDA XR400R Sold-1983 XT250/1991 TT350/1996 TT600E/1985 XT350/1999 TT600R/2002 TT600R stteve screwed with this post 07-31-2010 at 07:30 AM

08-02-2010, 07:37 AM	#45
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07-26-2010, 07:59 PM	#34
Chilly Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2010 Oddometer: 132	Is there no one to weigh in on the design of the 2011 BMW450gs Rally????

07-26-2010, 11:09 PM	#36
Aussie66 Studly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Dubai Desert Oddometer: 636	Design of the 450X. I would suspect that the BMW will be based on the model riden by Frans Verhoeven. Central tank etc. The new BMW/Husqvarna effort for Enduro/Motocross will use the BMW engine with a newly developed Husvarna frame and suspension, husky plastic. Yes the sprocketshaft again on the swingarm pivot for better traction and constant chain tension, the same as the BMW. This bike may be used as a platform for future rallies but I would think that time is too short to get that bike out and tested and rally prepped for the Dakar. The bike is not yet in the showrooms. TE449,TE511,TC449. PS the engine is made by Kymco (Taiwan) to BMW spec's and tolerances. This has caused for some tension in the factory in Varese. For a 450 it is a fast engine, reliabilty has been an issue, Verhoeven has done a couple of engines last year and in the Challenge but believes that now the problems have been solved. An oil cooler has also been added.

08-01-2010, 11:48 PM	#43
mtrehy Adventurer Joined: Aug 2009 Location: Wiltshire, UK Oddometer: 77	That BMW looks great and the speedbrain kit not ridiculously expensive. I wonder if my wife would even notice if my old CRF turned into one of those....