The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

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Originally Posted by kvr929rr

Why on earth would it be heavier.

Well, the liquid cooling system obviously weighs something. If those other engines made it to a liquid-cooled generation without gaining net weight, then they must have lost it elsewhere.

I'm skeptical that the BMW boxer engine has that much to lose. It already lost a good bit of weight between the 1150 and 1200 generations. The HP2 Enduro engine is a bit lighter still, but that was at the sacrifice of a counter balancer, so not as smooth.

But hey, I'm no engineer, and there's always room for more clever design. Regardless, the additional complexity is indisputable, and I am not interested in that.

[tallguy-09]

I don't see the boxer engine on the page 1 picture, do I?
Could it be the new 1200 Triumph, Triumph's seem to look like BMW's but they are not BMW's
Why would I move the shaft drive to the left?

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by BordenBmw

It was just a matter of time before BMW had to switch from air to water cooled. If they decide to go with a wet clutch, that would be an improvement. Air cooled is the main reason I started to look at that engine and I still prefer an air cooled engine, a lots easier to work on then water cooled engine. I will miss the old engine, but I'm still very interested to see what the new one is going to look like.

Some of you may be getting all excited about this, but I see this as analagous to what car companies do with successful cars. They have to "improve" them each year so they make them bigger and clutter them up with accessories that bastardize the concept. While technology improved on the airhead design (EFI is a great example in my view), BMW keeps adding electric this and ring that with servo assisted whatever. I don't want all that. I want a simple, easy to maintian and fixable bike wherever you find yourself. Give me a clutch cable versus hydraulic. I'll take manually adjustable shocks over EWS. Why the hell would you put that ring antenae crap on a bike that you take around the world? Just something else to break!

Sorry, but a radiator is more complexity, something else to go wrong, something that adds to the difficulty (and expense) of service. Yes boxers get hot in traffic, but do I want to add all that crap?

I am not anti improvement. I would take a wet clutch, but only if its more accessible and easier to fix than the current dry single plate clutch. I like the current clutch, but it is not easily servicable anywhere but the dealer.

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.

[BCC]

Originally Posted by Larry Krupa

Some of you may be getting all excited about this, but I see this as analagous to what car companies do with successful cars. They have to "improve" them each year so they make them bigger and clutter them up with accessories that bastardize the concept. While technology improved on the airhead design (EFI is a great example in my view), BMW keeps adding electric this and ring that with servo assisted whatever. I don't want all that. I want a simple, easy to maintian and fixable bike wherever you find yourself. Give me a clutch cable versus hydraulic. I'll take manually adjustable shocks over EWS. Why the hell would you put that ring antenae crap on a bike that you take around the world? Just something else to break!

Sorry, but a radiator is more complexity, something else to go wrong, something that adds to the difficulty (and expense) of service. Yes boxers get hot in traffic, but do I want to add all that crap?

I am not anti improvement. I would take a wet clutch, but only if its more accessible and easier to fix than the current dry single plate clutch. I like the current clutch, but it is not easily servicable anywhere but the dealer.

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.

The problem is Larry, you're not the target market. And they're doing well leaving you behind.

But don't worry for BMW. If this thing makes 20-30% more power, I'll buy it. They'll suck me in again.

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Originally Posted by Larry Krupa

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.

I like the gadgets. I don't care about water cooling though. The only advantage to that will be that the water will dampen the rattling noise so a boxer will not sound as if someone forgot some nuts in the chambers ...

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by DELTATANGO

I can see what it is.

I bet you that it won't be on the next iteration.

It is a marketing thing.

You really have nothing of value to add, do you?

Jim

PS Just like PeterK

[lwm]

Originally Posted by Gadget Boy

Would you speculate that it's a dry or wet clutch?

Dear God, please, a wet clutch. Please.

[yellowbirdrs]

it's says 8 valves DOHC engine double plug fuel injection 1270cc with a 14.5kg of torque and 128 bhp. New front beak and the headlight like the one in the F800

[tallguy-09]

Sure the Boxer future will look "cool" but I don't think its a BMW, Triumph has a test & engineering facility in Spain...not sure what's wrong with the dry clutch, does it make sense not to have one? How else can you keep the engine reasonably short, yes there must be a rear wheel somewhere :-)

Originally Posted by lwm

Dear God, please, a wet clutch. Please.

[Semper Fi]

Originally Posted by yellowbirdrs

it's says 8 valves DOHC engine double plug fuel injection 1270cc with a 14.5kg of torque and 128 bhp. New front beak and the headlight like the one in the F800

14.5 kgm = 104.9 lb-ft of torque

Not too shabby for the ol' girl

[viz]

Originally Posted by BCC

But don't worry for BMW. If this thing makes 20-30% more power, I'll buy it. They'll suck me in again.

Yup - me too

viz

[moist]

Interesting, maybe it will be a good bike, I'll wait for a few years to work out the bugs.

[vagueout]

Originally Posted by Larry Krupa

Some of you may be getting all excited about this, but I see this as analagous to what car companies do with successful cars. They have to "improve" them each year so they make them bigger and clutter them up with accessories that bastardize the concept. While technology improved on the airhead design (EFI is a great example in my view), BMW keeps adding electric this and ring that with servo assisted whatever. I don't want all that. I want a simple, easy to maintian and fixable bike wherever you find yourself. Give me a clutch cable versus hydraulic. I'll take manually adjustable shocks over EWS. Why the hell would you put that ring antenae crap on a bike that you take around the world? Just something else to break!

Sorry, but a radiator is more complexity, something else to go wrong, something that adds to the difficulty (and expense) of service. Yes boxers get hot in traffic, but do I want to add all that crap?

I am not anti improvement. I would take a wet clutch, but only if its more accessible and easier to fix than the current dry single plate clutch. I like the current clutch, but it is not easily servicable anywhere but the dealer.

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.

So i'm not the only one who holds this opinion.

[jogo]

Originally Posted by Semper Fi

No big deal - splitting hairs - it is cooled one way or the other but not with air

They are all air cooled, some just use a liquid to transport the heat but as you said -splitting hairs-

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Originally Posted by yellowbirdrs

I guess I'll need to start saving for my next GS

I'm betting on the price of the thing that a potential buyer best be looking for a part time job and a paper route and pick up aluminum cans on the side.