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Old 02-05-2011, 05:35 AM   #76
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I wish they would go ahead and just put 17" wheels on it. I bet even fewer people are ever going to take this beast offroad. At least allow everyone a better choice of rubber.
They already do, It's called a R1200R.
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:09 AM   #77
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The differences between my 2007 GS Adventure and a 2011? Not a flicker of interest by me. This new bike? A flame. And it will be time to get a new bike, too. I can wait. (Hang in there, old gal. ;))

I'll probably get myself a 1150 GS Adventure for my love of the air-cooled bikes and one of these as my "go to".
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:57 AM   #78
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The differences between my 2007 GS Adventure and a 2011? Not a flicker of interest by me. This new bike? A flame. And it will be time to get a new bike, too. I can wait. (Hang in there, old gal. ;))

I'll probably get myself a 1150 GS Adventure for my love of the air-cooled bikes and one of these as my "go to".
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!! As time marches forward, typically improvements and refinements come with it. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new GS, which I'm sure will be great and because of that I'm putting money aside for it. In the meantime I'll enjoy my 09.

As for those who may not like it and only desire the air-cooled version, don't worry, because there will probably be plenty of used 2005's to 2011's on the used market to choose from.

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Old 02-05-2011, 07:49 AM   #79
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Water-cooling was inevitable, and hinted at in interviews by BMW brass a year or two ago. Porsche had the same dilemna in the 90s with the 911. In order to meet emissions and deliver the power that we all demand (whether we can use it or not), they had to go down this path.

I love the air/oil-cooled bikes, and they will always be my favorite, but my 1200GSA is a very sophisticated piece of kit that has a lot of electronic wizardry. It is not simplicity that drives the fondness for air/oil-cooled bikes anymore, it is a sentimental attachment.

When I need simple, I jump on my R50/2, and if anyone has an R100GS PD for sale, drop me a line
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:56 AM   #80
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The differences between my 2007 GS Adventure and a 2011? Not a flicker of interest by me. This new bike? A flame. And it will be time to get a new bike, too. I can wait. (Hang in there, old gal. ;))

I'll probably get myself a 1150 GS Adventure for my love of the air-cooled bikes and one of these as my "go to".
I love my '02 Adventure. It is a solid bike and non-servo ABS brakes work well. But liquid is frankly the shit. The simple fact that minimal internal engine clearances can be maintained easier than air/oil cooled can. This equals loads more available power from the same CC sizes.
Power rawks the motorcycle world, but I my GS is good for me. That said, my KX500 (read single cylinder liquid cooled) is an animal!
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Old 02-05-2011, 11:43 AM   #81
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BMWs New Liquid-Cooled Boxer GS Spotted in the Wild



BMWs New Liquid-Cooled Boxer Spotted in the Wild

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Posted Friday, February 4th, 2011 @ 11:43 am, by Jensen Beeler
Home News BMWs New Liquid-Cooled Boxer Spotted in the Wild

The writing has been on the wall for some time for BMW to replace its air-cooled boxer twin with an updated liquid-cooled version, and that hallmark day appears to be coming, as SoloMoto (additional photos on their website) has captured the next-generation German motor out testing in the wild (enhanced photo above) on the Spanish roads near Tarragona. This photo appears to confirm reports that BMW is testing a new R1200GS model, which will feature the liquid-cooled boxer twin, and has obvious differences from its air-cooled predecessor.
While the photo is noticeably of poor quality (isnt funny how spy shots are always taken on bargain bin camera phones?), it does appear to give away the fact that the shaft drive has been moved from the right to the left side, with the exhaust can also moving to the opposite side of the current R-Series. These facts alone tell us there is a new motor hidden underneath the updated bodywork seen above. Road-testing this early in the year could suggest that well see BMW unveil the design as early as the Fall motorcycle shows as a 2012 model.
Source: SoloMoto

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Old 02-05-2011, 11:55 AM   #82
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Oh my God I have this nightmare that I saw this before.

Maybe it will just be an option. If you don't believe in liquid cooling you can just drain it. Dave
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:31 PM   #83
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Ever see the Bill Murray movie "Groundhog day"?

So has everybody else
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:33 PM   #84
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:32 PM   #85
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I really like the Original

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Old 02-06-2011, 02:50 AM   #86
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It's interesting that the air is going into the engine from the top of the cylinders and the exhaust is on the bottom. This would allow one cam shaft to operate both exhaust valves and the other to operate both intake valves, unlike the present twin-cam engine, where the gas flow is back to front.

That change would allow variable valve timing with separate control of the intake and exhaust valves, like BMW uses on their car engines. Why else would they make a change like that? It will eliminate the exhaust pipes coming out the front of the engine, which are one of the thins that give the boxers their distinctive appearance, and would also seem to require a sharp bend of the exhaust pipe just as it exits the cylinder, to keep it away from the ground. Variable valve timing might justify this change, but I don't know what else would.

There will need to be a water pump somewhere. Early 3 cylinder SAAB cars had the water pump on the back of the alternator housing (actually it was a generator back then), so a single pulley and belt could drive them both, on a common shaft. This would seem like a good arrangement for a GS, since it would place the water pump up where it can't be damaged.

One thing I like about the air-cooled GS is that the riding experience is devoid of blasts of hot air off a radiator, which many water cooled bikes suffer from. I hope they manage to maintain this advantage. If not, that alone might make me keep my present bike.
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Old 02-06-2011, 07:22 AM   #87
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One thing I like about the air-cooled GS is that the riding experience is devoid of blasts of hot air off a radiator, which many water cooled bikes suffer from. I hope they manage to maintain this advantage. If not, that alone might make me keep my present bike.
Here to fore, BMW has been quiet sucessful in controlling radiator heat to the rider in their to date LC bikes, just sayin.
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Old 02-06-2011, 09:11 AM   #88
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I know I've asked before, can you spot the boxer engine on the first picture? The panniers look BMW but the rest looks Triumph 1200 to me??? And yes I'd buy a GS (LC).
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Old 02-06-2011, 09:19 AM   #89
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Sounds like more mechanical systems that ultimately will fail, or cause more problems than there actually worth. I'll run the crap out of my 06gsa..may take a while, than move to an 09 or 08.
Why redesign the engine, when they can redesign the final drive...perhaps resolve withstanding faults that have been clogging these forums like a single toilet at a family reunion.
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Old 02-06-2011, 10:43 AM   #90
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So is the thinking that it will be impossible to get any air/oil cooled engine past emissions in a year or two?

If not, then the emissions issue is a canard. There will be a lot of bikes that no longer exist in the next few years if that is true.

I suspect the real issue is the perceived need by marketing to offer more power to sell bikes. Maybe it's lost sales to the multistrada. But at 120-130 hp I'm not buying a new GS. Rather sad.
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