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Old 04-19-2011, 07:38 AM   #826
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I'm not an agressive rider but need something bit more substancial than the stock tires for the TAT, could I get away with the 140 on stock rims or no.....??
I'm not an aggressive rider either, but I've ridden the CDR, some of the White Rim Road, a lot of eastern Oregon, northern Nevada, and Death Valley on 140s mounted to stock rims. No doubt I was risking catastrophe.
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Old 04-19-2011, 07:44 AM   #827
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:27 AM   #828
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Screw it. I can't win with all this. I'm filling my TKC80s with concrete.

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Old 04-19-2011, 11:24 AM   #829
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It's funny reading this thread because it's the same questions from all the other K-60 threads;

When will they be available? The 140/80 is fairly easy to come by. The 150-70 is the "be DAMNED" tire at the moment.


Where can I buy these? I purchased mine from Moto Amore 408-295-3004.


What's the difference between the K-60 and a TKC80? Price and wear. Bring the right gun to the fight. If you need a pure mud bogging tire or as much traction as possible off-road then a TKC80 is your option. The K-60 however is getting a lot of attention because it seems to provide 85% of a TKC80 grip with almost double the wear (depends on rider and conditions). It's a tire that IMHO is a true 50/50 tire. It blows the doors off a Tourance off-road but has almost the same wear on-road!


What's the difference between the 140 and the 150 rear? 140 is the tire width. 140 is narrower then the 150. The other aspect that's different is the height of the tire. The 140/80, which is what I've been using, is a narrower and taller (sidewall) then the normal 150/70. What's the difference in handling....I must be too much of a noob to know. They handle the same to me.


What's the difference in the compound? Not sure. I only know they changed the center thread blocks to decrease wear on road.


How much wear will they withstand? Depends, my set is near 6,000miles, mixed 75% road and 25% dirt and looks like it can last another 3,000miles!!! That's outstanding in my opinion for a true 50/50 tire.


I hear/read they have three versions of threads? Pictures here --> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=37
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=660802&page=3


What's the price? Personally I paid $134 front and $155 rear back in late November. I purchased the 140/80 rear because the 150 was in limbo with it's thread redesign. No problems and almost 6,000miles later I would still buy the 140/80.


Why are the prices so high? Supply and demand?! Have you looked at the price of gas lately? It affects every aspect of just about everything. I really don't know


How are people finding these? Their are several online shops, might be cheaper then buying from the distributor directly. The distributor doesn't discount the tires to undercut his vendors (makes sense from a business stand point).


Why are they so popular now, I never heard about these before? These tires have been available for a long time however it wasn't until the last year or two that their popularity spiked. It never had/was a widely distributed tire in the states. Dealerships didn't help the cause, they didn't want to stock a tire to have it sit on the shelf....if nobody ask's, why should I stock it! <----This is what I encountered from several dealers who just didn't want to listen to a guy who did a little research on the web and just wanted to try a different tire! I would always get the same response....."OH, you don't want those/I never heard of those, better stick to something that's been proven/Oh, so you want knobbies, get the TKC80/I don't think they import those/You can't buy those in the states/I'll look into it.....never heard back/Everybody just buys [ ] instead"


Is their any problems with these tires? The most common problem I've heard from SOME people is that the front tires loose a little air pressure over time. Why, nobody seems to know? I personally seem to loose about 3-5lbs a week (AT MOST). It seems worse (closer to 5lbs every 3 days) IF the weather is very cold?! Why? I have no idea! (pressure and temperature) The dealer told me they had a problem with a couple people having this accrue in the wet northwest but that was about it. Personally, very small inconvenience if you ask me. It's a weird thing but like I said, seems more noticeable with cold weather then warm. This problem can be remedied buy simply buying a TKC80 front it you really need a front knobby.


Why are people so mad? Because people just like to be mad at something? No sense in getting mad because it never goes anywhere. Fix it and move on......to something else you want to be mad at.


Why do I care and why do I know so much about the K-60's? I was in the same boat as everyone but I finally got off my ass, off the internet, and on the phone talking to dealers then a vendor, then bought these for myself! I didn't regret it!! I would buy these without a doubt again! I'm just reporting my findings and hoping it's solves the worlds problem and I get a Noble Peace Prize for it. .


Did I leave anything out? I'm sure someone will tell me.........after all it's the internet and we're all self proclaimed experts, or a glorified noob like me.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:08 PM   #830
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Well done, Pcfly! I guess we can pretty much retire this thread now.
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Old 04-19-2011, 03:12 PM   #831
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Well done, Pcfly! I guess we can pretty much retire this thread now.
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Old 04-19-2011, 03:17 PM   #832
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Old 04-19-2011, 03:20 PM   #833
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:57 PM   #834
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"Is their any problems with these tires? The most common problem I've heard from SOME people is that the front tires loose a little air pressure over time. Why, nobody seems to know? I personally seem to loose about 3-5lbs a week (AT MOST). It seems worse (closer to 5lbs every 3 days) IF the weather is very cold?! Why? I have no idea! (pressure and temperature) The dealer told me they had a problem with a couple people having this accrue in the wet northwest but that was about it."

FWIW I live in the mid-Atlantic region and this is happening to my front tire (tubeless on F650GS) ever since I had it mounted. Took it back and we discovered a very slight leak on both sides of the rim at the same place. Removed tire, scrubbed and wiped everything, remounted with no change whatsoever. Guess I'll just fill 5lbs every 3-5 days.
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Old 04-19-2011, 07:28 PM   #835
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This thread is starting to smell like dynabeads cooked in a little 10w40 fully synthetic because it is better than mineral.
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:03 PM   #836
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Hopefully I won't get my butt kicked for posting this
.....but suppose you cannot find or want to wait for the miracle K60 tire.

Are there any other good 50/50 tire?

There is a lot of information, sometimes these threads are their own worse enemy.
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:21 PM   #837
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Thanks PcFly for the quick summary. You did forget one entry though - "What is the pressure that you are filling them up to?" Don't forget front and back.
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:36 AM   #838
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Are there any other good 50/50 tire?
I got asked this weekend over beers after a dual sport ride why BMW riders think they need to pay so much for tires, their comments were especially referring to the TKC. But they practically laughed me off the table when I mentioned the cost of the K60 as they admired it on my bike.

There are a lot of good 50/50 tires out there and there are a lot of decent mileage/low cost ones out there too. Like a previous poster said, all you need to do is get off the internet and go find them.

While it's on the dirt side of riding, here's a link to a Kenda Trackmaster forum that also has information on a host of other dual sport tires -> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3107

Several of the DSers I rode with this weekend were on the track master. Great tire. Takes you where you need to go, even on a big bike.
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Old 04-20-2011, 12:20 PM   #839
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I got asked this weekend over beers after a dual sport ride why BMW riders think they need to pay so much for tires, their comments were especially referring to the TKC. But they practically laughed me off the table when I mentioned the cost of the K60 as they admired it on my bike.

There are a lot of good 50/50 tires out there and there are a lot of decent mileage/low cost ones out there too. Like a previous poster said, all you need to do is get off the internet and go find them.

While it's on the dirt side of riding, here's a link to a Kenda Trackmaster forum that also has information on a host of other dual sport tires -> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3107

Several of the DSers I rode with this weekend were on the track master. Great tire. Takes you where you need to go, even on a big bike.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!! Why should we pay more?!! The problem/situation is that we have tubeless tires on most of our BMW's and most sizes available for typical dual sport bikes are not available for our bikes. I've looked and I'm always willing to try something new but nothing.....

Those Kenda tires from what research I've done (which means nothing) is that they wear way too fast. Until I see or hear otherwise I just haven't found a better 50/50 tire.

I will add this. A Dual Sport bike and a large Adventure bike are two different animals. It's not that one is better then the other but rather that manufactures focused on our type of riding look at it into exactly that; adventure bike or dual sport(an oversized or glorified dirt bike). Face it, we build a dirt bike into an adventure bike which is great but we do the hacking and building......not a manufacture. Thus the problem with finding a true 50/50 tire or for that matter, finding the size or finding something for less $$$.

Now, as for blaming BMW for the cost........why doesn't somebody else build as many big adventure bikes? I think with Yamaha's big S-10 and Triumph's 800XC the market flood gates are about to open and I see more choices and lower $$ on gear coming......plus more tire choices!!
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Thanks PcFly for the quick summary. You did forget one entry though - "What is the pressure that you are filling them up to?" Don't forget front and back.
Max pressure is 36psi, I usually keep it at about 34-35 although the distributor said 29-31psi would be fine. For off-road riding I decrease the pressure to about 22-25PSI.........but I have never been given any advice on off-road pressure.
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