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Old 05-10-2011, 02:08 PM   #1
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F 800 GS vs F 650 GS

While contemplating the wonders of the universe today, a friend of mine and I were wondering why the bikes were named what they were... I am an F800 owner and he is a F650 owner, and we were trying to figure why BMW didn't call the 650 the F800 GS and the 800 the F800 GSA. I think it would have been appropriate, and took some of the confusion away from the engine size thing. Then they could have left the G650 as the F650.... Nothing important but just brain droppings. If this has been hashed out before feel free to delete or move, just thought I'd throw it out there...
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Old 05-10-2011, 03:00 PM   #2
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It has been hashed out plenty throughout this forum and others. The answer is not clear. BMW's marketing department had their reasons.
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Old 05-10-2011, 03:38 PM   #3
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they didn't want to scare away their largest entry level target market. women and short people.

I fall under the category of short people :)
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Old 05-10-2011, 09:40 PM   #4
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...we were trying to figure why BMW didn't call the 650 the F800 GS and the 800 the F800 GSA. I think it would have been appropriate...
Calling the 800 an "adventure" is practically grounds for a false advertising lawsuit!
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:26 AM   #5
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While contemplating the wonders of the universe today, a friend of mine and I were wondering why the bikes were named what they were... I am an F800 owner and he is a F650 owner, and we were trying to figure why BMW didn't call the 650 the F800 GS and the 800 the F800 GSA. I think it would have been appropriate, and took some of the confusion away from the engine size thing. Then they could have left the G650 as the F650.... Nothing important but just brain droppings. If this has been hashed out before feel free to delete or move, just thought I'd throw it out there...
The G650GS wasn't out at this time. The 650 range got splintered into 3 different bikes. Then they realised people did still want the old F650 single cyclinder GS, so they brought the G out.

I agree it was a silly and confusing move. If you're going to call a bike a number that doesn't relate to the capacity, pick a number that make it obvious that this is the case. Calling a litre bike the T595 (as Triumph did) is asking for it to be mistaken for a very pricey and heavy 600cc bike. Same with the (twin) F650GS. I think Marky might have the right idea and that in this instance it was intentional; an 800cc bike is perceived as much too big/powerful for most new riders. Whereas a 650 is perceived as being more accessible.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:28 AM   #6
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Looking at old BMW habbits...

They wanted to introduse the twin 650 gs as the new entry level and then the economic crisis kicked in and they stepped back to G 650 gs as a cheaper more profitable entry level bike. Plus they reserved the "F 800 GS Adventure" mark for a next beefed up version of F twin gs. Probably around 1000 cc as rumors have it.
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:59 PM   #7
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In Europe they have a different system for motorcycle license. The beginner license is good only to certain CC's or horsepower, not sure which, so they detuned the 800 for the entry level rider. At least that is what the dealer told us when we purchased my wife's 650.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:32 AM   #8
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In Europe they have a different system for motorcycle license. They are beginner license is good only to certain CC's or horsepower, not sure which, so they detuned the 800 for the entry level rider. At least that is what the dealer told us when we purchased my wife's 650.
That's incorrect, the normal F650GS is still too powerful to be legal for a new rider. The limit is around 34HP in most countries.

In Germany BMW does however offer a factory 34HP version of the F650, and you can get TÜV approved reduction kits for the F800GS as well.
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:47 AM   #9
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That's incorrect, the normal F650GS is still too powerful to be legal for a new rider. The limit is around 34HP in most countries.

In Germany BMW does however offer a factory 34HP version of the F650, and you can get TÜV approved reduction kits for the F800GS as well.
Now I'm confused. You said I was incorrect then pretty much affirmed what I wrote. Doesn't matter, my wife still loves her motorcycle.
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