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Old 06-13-2011, 05:16 AM   #781
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Doug...Thanks for the history lesson & great pics. I appreciate the effort on your part to take us along. Nice job!
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Old 06-13-2011, 05:27 AM   #782
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This is all cool as could be but I do have one question for you... Does anybody you run into know or recognize the confederate flag on your bike? Just curious if other parts of the world know this symbol of the south.
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:40 AM   #783
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This is all cool as could be but I do have one question for you... Does anybody you run into know or recognize the confederate flag on your bike? Just curious if other parts of the world know this symbol of the south.
I'm sure they do. Who can ever forget after watching Dukes of Hazzard and the General Lee!
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:17 AM   #784
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Just wondering if you're getting lot's of comments on the bike? It's the best looking HD XLGS I've ever seen...


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Old 06-13-2011, 01:22 PM   #785
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Respect for Ataturk

I have to admit that I don't know a lot about Turkish history or Ataturk, but after seeing that quote on the monument, he has gained my respect.
Now I want to know more .
If I were a relative of one of the soldiers buried there, I would feel some peace about where my loved one lies after reading that.

Again Doug, thanks for one more history and culture lesson.

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Old 06-13-2011, 02:09 PM   #786
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I have to admit that I don't know a lot about Turkish history or Ataturk, but after seeing that quote on the monument, he has gained my respect.
Now I want to know more .
If I were a relative of one of the soldiers buried there, I would feel some peace about where my loved one lies after reading that.

Again Doug, thanks for one more history and culture lesson.

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Wow, Agreed, two times. Great Photos and Lessons!
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:21 PM   #787
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that black 'spooge' is from turkey. they spray the roads with it, then dump gravel on it & let the trucks do the work. Its very interesting when travelling the other way with an open faced helmet.

I asked em if the turks gave them an extra tax upon leaving for taking so much of the new road out of the country
Ha, Cowley County Kansas, USA does the exact same thing! At least they put the gravel over it right away.
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Old 06-13-2011, 04:12 PM   #788
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:22 PM   #789
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I have to admit that I don't know a lot about Turkish history or Ataturk, but after seeing that quote on the monument, he has gained my respect.
Now I want to know more .
If I were a relative of one of the soldiers buried there, I would feel some peace about where my loved one lies after reading that.

Again Doug, thanks for one more history and culture lesson.

Jeff
This is a black chapter of English War history,. that's why they don't mention it on history books. I've been born in the Netherlands but from Turkish origin. They never told me on history lessons at school of this part of the WW1 history.
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:26 PM   #790
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After that, I stopped to see the ruins of Troy. I wasn’t too impressed with it actually. But, as it is Troy, I felt I should at least stop for a peek.
There was actually 4 or 5 cities here over the ages, the 1st one was built over 2000 years ago, & others added too or on top of it since then.
Did they still have the wooden horse of Troy out the front? I thought that was pretty naff.
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:28 PM   #791
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Did they still have the wooden horse of Troy out the front? I thought that was pretty naff.
Is Helen still there? I heard she was pretty hot!

OK Doug, You got me interested in this piece of battle history. (Ataturk) Got some reading to do.
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:32 PM   #792
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This is a black chapter of English War history,. that's why they don't mention it on history books. I've been born in the Netherlands but from Turkish origin. They never told me on history lessons at school of this part of the WW1 history.
Maybe not in some parts of the world, but over here in New Zealand and no doubt Australia also, the legacy of this battle is an inescapable part of our national culture.

It can be said that this battle was a turning point to our formation as a nation independent of England. Indeed, the surviving ANZAC soldiers came away with the utmost respect for their Turkish counterparts, not so much for the English officers who had sent them to their deaths.

The anniversary of this battle is remembered as a national holiday in NZ and Australia. Thanks Doug for the reminder that this is a pilgrimage that I have to make too one day.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:46 PM   #793
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The Gallipoli campaign was in a large part the work of Winston Churchill. His reputation survived and was enhanced during the 2nd War against the Germans, so Gallipoli was nudged into a shady corner of history where it might be forgotten. But the ANZACS paid the blood price. British military history at this time is full of incompetents who held rank because of the class system. Meritocracy was sidelined to breeding, and the 'lower' classes paid the piper.
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:32 AM   #794
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It was a very good idea, ruined by some of the people in charge of getting it done.
Really, the entire war was was a bodge job for the reasons below.





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Old 06-14-2011, 09:12 AM   #795
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This is fantastic. History lesson with the RR. Now I can tell my mom all this time on the internet is not wasted. Ride on!

I'll be waiting for more.
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