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Old 06-23-2011, 02:56 AM   #76
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We got to try the Latitude jacket with the Badlands pants and we both think these will be winners when they come out. Me personally love the idea of having the hip gators on the Latitude jacket which would allow women to wear a smaller size jacket...the preferred sized rather like what i am doing now..having to wear a Large Traverse jacket which is way too big in the chest all because of my grrl hips. In any case we are looking forward to the new suits. My suggestion would be that they also add hip gators to all their jackets. I does not take away one bit from the look and adds more flexibility for the rider. If my Traverse had them...with some arm vents I would say damn near perfect!
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Old 06-23-2011, 04:56 AM   #77
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Just buy the adventure version

How many combinations do you expect them to make??
Answer: 1 version. WITH Leatt compatibility.

The big void in the market right now is a jacket that offers on and off road protection, is waterproof from the outside in and not the other way around, but is still simple enough that it remains financially in the realm of spousal acceptance.

The Adventure jacket fulfills the first two but not the third criteria. On top of that, for people like myself at least, the internal webbing as well as the bulk of the cargo pockets are features I don't need or want and as such I don't want to pay for them. I also suspect that especially the harness is disproportionately expensive (re: labor intensive) to manufacture and Klim is probably happy to strike this feature from an accounting point of view.

The first criteria, again for me at least, means something that will protect me from road rash (which the vast majortiy of off road dedicated gear won't by virtue of their lack of the appropriate abrasion resistant materials) on the way to the trail as well as the knocks I might receive on the trail and then back again.

And considering the numbers of people I saw wearing neck braces at the forum.LC8.info rally I was at yesterday (BIG thanks to the organizers!!! ), I think that building the neck brace feature in would significantly widen the jackets appeal. In anycase, I think that adding the feature, even if it added no more than say $50 to the final price, would win more potential buyers that adding it would turn potential buyers off.
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Old 06-23-2011, 05:05 AM   #78
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Each day I wonder how I got through the last 40yrs of motorcycle riding without a neck brace

Gimme normal collars please.

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Old 06-23-2011, 06:29 AM   #79
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If you read back there were a lot of complaints about the collar and most didn't want the Leatt compatibility as it adds complication and bulk. So, Klim removes it for their less .. call it 'durable' offering and there are complaints it's not included. Can't make everyone happy.

I think if you are riding hard enough that you need the Leatt you also need the extra protection the ADV suit provides. This suit is less hardcore and the Latitude a bit less again. I think they have enough options out there for one company and give them big kudo's for trying this hard.

I had an ADV jacket and don't use a Leatt so I didn't need the extra bulk. I found the internal harness a great idea. Once you do it up the jacket weighs nothing.

Like JW says, larger armor would be first on the wish list, then a redesign of the collar .. which they have done, then work on the zippers. EDIT: on second thought do the zippers first!
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Old 06-23-2011, 06:37 AM   #80
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:09 PM   #81
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Like JW says, larger armor would be first on the wish list, then a redesign of the collar .. which they have done, then work on the zippers. EDIT: on second thought do the zippers first!
Jeez. I might buy the Badlands just because of the integrated kidney belt. That's the only thing I miss about the ADV jacket
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:13 PM   #82
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Jeez. I might buy the Badlands just because of the integrated kidney belt. That's the only thing I miss about the ADV jacket
The Adventure Rally has a kidney belt. I use it every time.
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Old 06-23-2011, 04:52 PM   #83
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The Adventure Rally has a kidney belt. I use it every time.
Yeah. And, it's what I miss.
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:28 AM   #84
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Each day I wonder how I got through the last 40yrs of motorcycle riding without a neck brace

Gimme normal collars please.

Greg.
Should I take that to mean you still ride with a leather helmet (or none at all), shun disc brakes with equal disdain, and you motorbike is equipped with a hand shifter?

Granted, not everyone wants to or needs to wear a neck brace but to write them off because they didn't exist when you entered the sport is taking a simplified view of a significant safety enhancement.
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:21 PM   #85
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OK... so for you KLIM specialists...

I'm wanting to finally upgrade my MSR jacket and have had my eye on the KLIM products... Which one would you all recommend using with a pressure suit underneath?? I don't think the internal armor of any jacket stands up to a hard fall in the rocks like a pressure suit with hard plastic does... and has.

I always wear one under my current jacket... but it needs replacement.

So for mostly off road enduro riding... 80/20 split which KLIM jacket would you choose??
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:17 AM   #86
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OK... so for you KLIM specialists...

Which one would you all recommend using with a pressure suit underneath??

So for mostly off road enduro riding... 80/20 split which KLIM jacket would you choose??
Traverse shell if you are wearing a pressure suit under...

Light as - Very flexible - breaths well enough.

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Old 07-11-2011, 07:43 AM   #87
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+1.

I concur with Wasp.

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Traverse shell if you are wearing a pressure suit under...

Light as - Very flexible - breaths well enough.

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Old 07-11-2011, 07:47 PM   #88
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+1.

I concur with Wasp.
I was looking to get the TRAVERSE jacket, but in order to fit over my Alpinestar Bionic 2 Pressure suit (elbow armor in particular), I would have to get a size MUCH larger than normal.

Of course, that means it won't fit at all, except the elbows.

Make sure you are wearing the pressure suit when you are shopping.
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Old 07-23-2011, 08:16 AM   #89
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Just got off the phone with my friend who is at the BMWMOA Rally. He was standing at the Klim booth and asked when the Badlands pants were coming out and how much. The rep said they would be out in Oct. and would cost $660, not $590. My friend said they looked really nice.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:53 PM   #90
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Just got off the phone with my friend who is at the BMWMOA Rally. He was standing at the Klim booth and asked when the Badlands pants were coming out and how much. The rep said they would be out in Oct. and would cost $660, not $590. My friend said they looked really nice.
Not the news I was hoping for but still cheap compared to the Rally Adventure, or anything comparable from either Rukka, Stadler or BMW and none of those three checks the boxes on the wish list as well as the Badlands.

Guess I have to wait a bit longer and dig a little deeper.
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