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Old 09-27-2011, 05:39 AM   #46
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...I just use a fresh egg carton (from grocery store)....

Good suggestion. Add tape across the top to seal each cavity and it becomes fairly idiot proof.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:58 AM   #47
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This is just an example, I am not advocating this particular item, as it most likely is not the correct pitch etc., merely showing that it is done, has been done successfully for many years, and there are Hi-Vo master links kicking around if you look hard enough.

http://www.z1enterprises.com/Cam-Cha...Link-1860.aspx


I got shit from some of you F800GS dudes for poking my nose in a thread and them discovering I wasn't one of you (I have an F800ST) (gasp) but meh, I still like to think of us as somewhat fraternal as far as most of the basic engine bits go.

Best of luck in your cam chain fix-it quest!
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:33 PM   #48
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This is just an example, I am not advocating this particular item, as it most likely is not the correct pitch etc., merely showing that it is done, has been done successfully for many years, and there are Hi-Vo master links kicking around if you look hard enough.

http://www.z1enterprises.com/Cam-Cha...Link-1860.aspx


I got shit from some of you F800GS dudes for poking my nose in a thread and them discovering I wasn't one of you (I have an F800ST) (gasp) but meh, I still like to think of us as somewhat fraternal as far as most of the basic engine bits go.

Best of luck in your cam chain fix-it quest!

Thanks for the info. BTW, my thread, no worries. Drop in anytime.


I'll have to poke around (maybe) that link is the wrong one. (note the double entendre)
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:32 PM   #49
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Thanks for the info. BTW, my thread, no worries. Drop in anytime.


I'll have to poke around (maybe) that link is the wrong one. (note the double entendre)

Thanks

? That *should* be a Hi-Vo master link picture from z1enterprises...
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Old 09-27-2011, 04:05 PM   #50
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Good suggestion. Add tape across the top to seal each cavity and it becomes fairly idiot proof.
I just shallowly (is that a word?!) drilled pockets in a 2x4, marked them and used packing tape over the holes to keep the shims from falling out and getting mixed up.


As far as breaking the timing chain... a drive chain breaker like Motion Pro sells should do the trick.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:10 PM   #51
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I just shallowly (is that a word?!) drilled pockets in a 2x4, marked them and used packing tape over the holes to keep the shims from falling out and getting mixed up.


As far as breaking the timing chain... a drive chain breaker like Motion Pro sells should do the trick.
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Your keeper was my first plan. But, the egg carton thing has merit.

About your crank locking screw, M8 x1? What's the pitch?
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:51 PM   #52
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? That *should* be a Hi-Vo master link picture from z1enterprises...
That's pretty cool!!!

Here's the tool that does the job: http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=1693

This is not meant to be a slam, but the master link shown has only the "outer" two plates... I've never busted one of these apart, do you recycle the inner link plates?
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:01 AM   #53
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That's pretty cool!!!

Here's the tool that does the job: http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=1693

This is not meant to be a slam, but the master link shown has only the "outer" two plates... I've never busted one of these apart, do you recycle the inner link plates?

Yes, that's it exactly-use the two inner plates from the new chain just split.




Now, this isn't to say BMW didn't spec a proprietary Bizarro World chain, not used on any other engine ever made, other than an F800... I sure wouldn't put it past them! That alone could fubar such a master link sourcing endeavor.


*EDIT

looking closer at post # 35, with a picture from Lager Meister, there is a BWA stamped on one of the chain link plates. I Googled that and good 'ol BorgWarner shows up! So at least that's some more info. Borg Warner chain.

"BorgWarner Morse TEC is a global leader in the design and manufacturing of automotive chain systems and components for engine timing, automatic transmission and four-wheel drive applications. The BorgWarner Morse TEC operations in Nabari City and Aoyama produce Hy-Vo transmission chains, engine timing components and systems including silent timing chains, sprockets, tensioners, and timing chain for motorcycle engines."

"Auburn Hills, Michigan-based BorgWarner Inc. is a product leader in highly engineered components and systems for vehicle powertrain applications worldwide. The FORTUNE 500 company operates manufacturing and technical facilities in 62 locations in 17 countries. Customers include Ford, VW/Audi, DaimlerChrysler, General Motors, Toyota, Renault/Nissan, Hyundai/Kia, Honda, BMWBMW
in full Bayerische Motoren Werke AG"
http://www.borgwarner.com/ .

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Old 09-28-2011, 04:49 AM   #54
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Yes, that's it exactly-use the two inner plates from the new chain just split. ...
Okay that seems a little weird to me. But I guess, plates don't stretch so it's logical.


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looking closer at post # 35, with a picture from Lager Meister, there is a BWA stamped on one of the chain link plates. I Googled that and good 'ol BorgWarner shows up! So at least that's some more info. Borg Warner chain....Customers include...BMW...

Great sleuthing, LBS! Thanks for joining the party. I'm probably going to continue on the breakdown path I've started on (at this point I'm curious to see my crank condition), but this data is definitely of use.


EDIT: and I just went back and looked at post 35. What are the odds that the link stamped with BWA would be visible in that pic. Time to buy a lotto ticket.
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:24 AM   #55
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On my dirt bikes I use rags over the cams and under the cam chain to prevent metal parts from falling in when I grind the pins with a small dremel tool and stone bit.
I safety wire both sides of the chain to the frame while I grind the pins to keep the chain from falling down into the engine.
Once you grind 2 pins on one link on one side the chain breaks easily and then you can safety wire the new chain to the old chain thru the link plate holes. Now it is time to have someone crank the engine around slowly by the rear wheel and prevent valve springs from jerking the wheel with 2 steady hands holding the rear wheel and slowly guiding it around in gear.

Great luck on finding the chain manufacturer BWA!
I am sure this is a standard timing chain with a metric pitch and width with a standard metric sized pins.

Tsubaki makes them for all kinds of bikes pre-pressed or link pin provided!

http://www.jml.dk/JML/grafik/sider/p...plications.pdf

They make some for European bikes.
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Old 10-04-2011, 06:59 PM   #58
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There is a serious problem here ... there is not enough crap in your garage for you to trip over ....
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There is a serious problem here ... there is not enough crap in your garage for you to trip over ....
....and I unplugged the opener to keep the girls from rolling in...
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