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Old 10-10-2011, 07:44 AM   #106
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26 miles. Test ride a success.

Quiet(er). I'm not detecting abnormal cam chain noises. No leaks that I can find.

I did the JoelWisman method of bleeding the radiator last night. I don't know if you'll read this Joel but thanks!


After the test ride, left her running until the fan came on. Let it run for an additional minute and the fan cut off before I turned the bike off.

Checked the oil. Still sitting at 1/4 dipstick. I am hesitant to add any more considering I loaded 3.4 liters. I waited five minutes and checked it again seeing only nominal increase in level. I'll add small amounts over the next few days and see what happens.


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Old 10-10-2011, 08:36 AM   #107
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I`d like to add the Suzuki DRZ to the Cam chain tensioner gone bad..... It is a well know fact to us.....DRZ riders.... that the spring exerts too much pressure over time....... and the manual one is just right.... I installed one on mine....two years ago.... have not have to touch it since.......

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Old 10-10-2011, 09:10 AM   #108
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Great Job DieselBoy !!!

Did you determine how much the stock chain stretched over the new chain?
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:34 PM   #109
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:25 PM   #110
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Dieselboy, I'm looking through specs but I need to also know the width of the chain -the measurement of the thickness of the stack of side plates the pins are holding together. And just to confirm those pins are round, rather than an oblong or noticeably triangular shape, right?

Or if you're bored, you can snoop through here:
http://www.tayloredge.com/reference/...ilentChain.pdf

http://chain-guide.com/toc.html

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Old 10-11-2011, 10:44 PM   #111
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On the issue of cam chain tensioners, I have a manual one installed on my KLX, but it replaced a spring loaded ratchet type. This one is basically oil pressurized. Anyone know if this is a dead end galley?

I do know that my bike has never hinted at chain rattle and the first time I hear it, it will get a new tensioner.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:59 AM   #112
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On the issue of cam chain tensioners, I have a manual one installed on my KLX, but it replaced a spring loaded ratchet type. This one is basically oil pressurized. Anyone know if this is a dead end galley?

I do know that my bike has never hinted at chain rattle and the first time I hear it, it will get a new tensioner.
It doesn't appear to be a dead end galley....looks like it is along the route of oil getting to the top end of the engine.

I think the way the tensioner is designed it that there is a (light) spring in the design which is then augmented by oil pressure, and some kind of a check valve...
I do get the rattle now everytime I start the bike after leaving it overnight it stops with in a few seconds as soon as oil pressure builds. I wonder if a new tensioner would fix that... I kinda doubt it.... or maybe my checkvalve is leaking down?
For $50 I may go get a new one and see ...


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Old 10-12-2011, 07:49 AM   #113
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I do get the rattle now everytime I start the bike after leaving it overnight it stops with in a few seconds as soon as oil pressure builds.
Same here. But it has occurred for months, maybe years, in my case. I manage the issue by not whacking the throttle on initial start-up and forgetting about for the rest of the day.

But, if you change the adjuster and it helps .... maybe you can do mine.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:51 AM   #114
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The issue with oil flow was the thought of a manual tensioner blocking it.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:00 PM   #115
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OK. First, congrats, Dieselboy. How did you get 90000 miles on that bike? Is it European or something? But thanks eversomuch for the complete photographed breakdown. Printin the whole thing out and it's going into my file, just in case that day comes for me. (Long way from those miles as of yet!)
The thing we're talkin about now is the whole tensioner issue. For many moons now mine starts with the rattle then disappears as the oil takes over. Within a second or so. This kinda indicates to me that the spring is not doing its job. Haven't had a look at it but if it is a 'light spring like people say and I am suspecting then it has probably lost its tension already due to heat and cooling and the like. Wondering if swapping it out for something a little heavier might ease that problem? But, frankly, as long as the oil pressure side of the gizmo is doing its part it probably doesn't really matter. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:22 PM   #116
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Dieselboy, I'm looking through specs but I need to also know the width of the chain -the measurement of the thickness of the stack of side plates the pins are holding together. And just to confirm those pins are round, rather than an oblong or noticeably triangular shape, right?

Or if you're bored, you can snoop through here:
http://www.tayloredge.com/reference/...ilentChain.pdf

http://chain-guide.com/toc.html
8.75

EDIT: new digital caliper reads 8.83

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Old 10-12-2011, 09:51 PM   #117
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Thanks.
I'm also going to need the width between the to outer 'guide' plates. (Basically the dimension the gear occupies between the chain sides). Still not having much luck though...

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Old 10-12-2011, 11:48 PM   #118
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OK. First, congrats, Dieselboy. How did you get 90000 miles on that bike? Is it European or something? But thanks eversomuch for the complete photographed breakdown. Printin the whole thing out and it's going into my file, just in case that day comes for me. (Long way from those miles as of yet!)
The thing we're talkin about now is the whole tensioner issue. For many moons now mine starts with the rattle then disappears as the oil takes over. Within a second or so. This kinda indicates to me that the spring is not doing its job. Haven't had a look at it but if it is a 'light spring like people say and I am suspecting then it has probably lost its tension already due to heat and cooling and the like. Wondering if swapping it out for something a little heavier might ease that problem? But, frankly, as long as the oil pressure side of the gizmo is doing its part it probably doesn't really matter. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
Thanks.

The mileage is from riding, a lot.

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The consensus is that your rattle is from the tensioner losing its oil. The rattle goes away after the bike reloads on startup
Mine no longer rattles at startup. I think either a manual adjust or a reservoir would do well for us. Hopefully someone will produce one soon. My advice prior to this job would be earplugs. My advice now is buy a new tensioner.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:49 AM   #119
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Thanks.
I'm also going to need the width between the to outer 'guide' plates. (Basically the dimension the gear occupies between the chain sides). Still not having much luck though...
7.45 between the outside plates.

EDIT: bought a new digital caliper today and slapped it on the links: 7.29-7.35. IDK which is closer.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:55 AM   #120
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tensioner noise...

I found what I was looking for ... Joel's comment on the noise:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=19
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