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Old 11-08-2011, 04:08 PM   #76
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Wow - Not a guy I'd like to have a beer with that's for sure! Sort of an adversarial style saying Dovi has no speed and then his remarks on Rossi...Sounds a bit like the HRC that Rossi bolted. I wonder how long CS will ride for that guy?

Amazing to me that he thinks Marquez is the future of MotoGP...It's a bit early for that when he still has Casey and Dani. Maybe Marc struggles with the Bridgestone tires? Maybe he's another Dovi (or Elias!).

Go Yamaha!

Thanks for posting that, Yoop.
I wasn't particularly put off by anything he said, pretty much he just speaks the truth (well that and he sounds like a Japanese guy talking, that is pretty much the way they roll).

Compared to Dani and Casey he was too slow, nice guy sure and quick enough to be in MotoGP but why pay for a third bike that gets beat by Yamahas and satellite bikes too much to ride on the fastest bike. I do think Dani doesn't have much more time either, he seems to overlook that while Dani is fast he also ends up out of contention (more often by his own doing) and it will probably not happen while Casey is on the same bike.

Rossi should have been the top Ducati every weekend, he is the best racer on the Ducati this year, no excuse to me than he just wasn't giving it his all and he has his reasons but I kept waiting for that miracle ride that never happened and I don't think he intended to ever.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:55 PM   #77
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From what I saw over the season (including being at Indy), it seems to me that the big problem for Rossi is that he just doesn't like the bike. Mostly because he doesn't trust it. JB's comments seem to indicate that as well.

If that don't change, he'll never win another race.
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:00 PM   #78
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:04 PM   #79
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Am I the only one that finds Ducati going to a conventional Al twin-spar frame an amazing development? They have always been so "stubborn" to do it their own, different way...
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:24 PM   #80
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Am I the only one that finds Ducati going to a conventional Al twin-spar frame an amazing development? They have always been so "stubborn" to do it their own, different way...
Read Preziosi on motomatters. Lays out the reasoning pretty nicely.

Basically, running an engine-as-frame design means 1) it costs more to modify the chassis; and crucially 2) to do so may require wasting engines, which are limited in number by recent MotoGP rules.

The reasoning doesn't appear to mandate aluminium: they could have kept tubular steel if they'd thought it would have worked. However, IIRC all Ducati's tube steel chassis have relied on the engine casings to stiffen the frame at the swingarm pivot, so if they'd stayed with a "traditional" Ducati trellis design they'd still have been stymied by the engine limit, and maybe a steel full-frame would have been too heavy, carbon too tricky.

It's worth noting too that the MotoGP rules on engine numbers were designed with the currently typical Japanese chassis layouts assumed. It was obviously a good design anyway, and then the rules reinforced its advantages.
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Old 11-08-2011, 07:31 PM   #81
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You guys talking about Austin... I don't see it on the GP Calendar. When?
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Old 11-08-2011, 07:35 PM   #82
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You guys talking about Austin... I don't see it on the GP Calendar. When?
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Old 11-08-2011, 07:45 PM   #83
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Read Preziosi on motomatters. Lays out the reasoning pretty nicely.
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Thanks, hadn't seen that yet. I hope they pull it together and take it to the Japanese manufacturers once again!
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Old 11-08-2011, 07:54 PM   #84
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It's worth noting too that the MotoGP rules on engine numbers were designed with the currently typical Japanese chassis layouts assumed. It was obviously a good design anyway, and then the rules reinforced its advantages.
And with all the pissing and moaning about CRT I'd think this would also be a point of contention. There's now no prototype in this, so called, prototype racing. Think about it. Production bikes use aluminium perimeter frames, telescoping forks and swingarms. At it's basic component level there is not that much innovation going on here. Where are the Britten, Elf, and Swissauto types? They're stifled by rules built to toe the line for the Japanese manufacturers.
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:14 PM   #85
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Where are the Britten, Elf, and Swissauto types? They're stifled by rules built to toe the line for the Japanese manufacturers.
Right down the list of forums a bit, and trying to get into Moto2...

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=720777
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:56 PM   #86
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And with all the pissing and moaning about CRT I'd think this would also be a point of contention. There's now no prototype in this, so called, prototype racing. Think about it. Production bikes use aluminium perimeter frames, telescoping forks and swingarms. At it's basic component level there is not that much innovation going on here. Where are the Britten, Elf, and Swissauto types? They're stifled by rules built to toe the line for the Japanese manufacturers.
The rules are too influenced by the MSMA
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:49 PM   #88
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idiot! Anyone who knows swingarms knows it is too short by 12.46mm
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:55 PM   #89
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That is beautiful. Not bad for a lash up. Those Eyetalians have some style.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:11 AM   #90
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That is beautiful. Not bad for a lash up. Those Eyetalians have some style.
If FTR built it, it's british style.
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