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Old 11-09-2011, 04:36 PM   #256
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Looking great!

BTW Typical R1150GS idle is 1100+-50. I like it on the high side. Makes the motor smoother on initial take-off. With the carbs I am not sure how much effect it would have, but I would bump it up to at least 1000.

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Old 11-09-2011, 06:59 PM   #257
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Found a diagram on the net, my time delay relay only has four wires...it'll get me close I think.
It sure looks like that diagram shows a circuit to select between low or high beam. That is low beam, or high beam, not both simultaneously.

Do you want a relay circuit description to allow you to switch between low beam, and low/high together?

If so, send me the lighting switch configuration diagram in the handlebar perch. Also, do you want the headlights to work whenever the key is on?


Regarding idle speed. 800 revs is fine. The primary limitation is oil pressure at low rpm. The stock ECU isn't designed to run the motor very well at at a lower-than-stock idle. That's on purpose. Motors make more emissions at low rpm, and the catalyst needs a minimum amount of exhaust heat.

Emissions-carb non-catalyst bikes also idled at a fairly high rpm, that due to the near impossibility in creating an emissions fuel profile to work well at sub-venturi effect velocities (meaning very low velocity), without overfuelling during the off-idle transition.

Speaking of low oil pressure, there's a low oil pressure switch located in a recess on the left side of the crankcase, near the front, under the left cylinder. It's a simple open/close switch. Do you want to wire that pressure switch up to an unused indicator light on the Acewell? I mean, if there is one available. If none available, you can use a panel mount LED.


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Old 11-09-2011, 07:22 PM   #258
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Wiring Diagram from the original install......Sorry it took so long to post this up.
Time Delay Relay is a Direct Electronics 528T pulse timer delay relay.
15 Amps - 10 - 45 second delay on
The time delay was set up for Low beam "Delay On" so that after starting the motor the low beam would be delayed allowing voltage stabilize before firing.
I put it in to save the ballast from getting fried.


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Old 11-09-2011, 08:36 PM   #259
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:09 AM   #260
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Are you gonna cook up some bashplates/guards for those cylinder heads?


It never really ends...


Lookin good though!

Thanks, I've got the bashplate to put back on and some crash bars here. This first shake down run I'm going to leave the crash bars off just in case I need to do a major teardown in the middle of nowhere to fix something.



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congrats on getting it done. Well, you know it'll never be "done"

Right, but "done" in the sense that it's a motorcycle again and I can ride it.


I'm going to check the valve adjustment here in a minute and fiddle with the carbs to see if I can get a little closer. I did some research and there are a few things I can try without swapping parts, but I'm pretty sure that the bottom line is that my acc pump nozzles are too big.

It cruises really nice at 75-80, just a tick of buffeting at the very top of my helmet...got the wind off my chest like I wanted.

Dude that I got this XRR stuff from had the front wheel nicely balanced with stick on weights to counter the rim lock, I think I'm going to start doing that to my other bikes, it's nice and smooth.

The bars are definitely a reach and I'll need to change something there in the long term, short term it's not that bad and my hands don't fall asleep.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:23 AM   #261
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Looking great!

BTW Typical R1150GS idle is 1100+-50. I like it on the high side. Makes the motor smoother on initial take-off. With the carbs I am not sure how much effect it would have, but I would bump it up to at least 1000.

Jim

Ok and like Poolside says next I probably should bump the idle up to help the cat out...I ran out of time to build my custom muffler and when that goes on I can drop my idle back down.



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It sure looks like that diagram shows a circuit to select between low or high beam. That is low beam, or high beam, not both simultaneously.

Do you want a relay circuit description to allow you to switch between low beam, and low/high together?

If so, send me the lighting switch configuration diagram in the handlebar perch. Also, do you want the headlights to work whenever the key is on?


Regarding idle speed. 800 revs is fine. The primary limitation is oil pressure at low rpm. The stock ECU isn't designed to run the motor very well at at a lower-than-stock idle. That's on purpose. Motors make more emissions at low rpm, and the catalyst needs a minimum amount of exhaust heat.

Emissions-carb non-catalyst bikes also idled at a fairly high rpm, that due to the near impossibility in creating an emissions fuel profile to work well at sub-venturi effect velocities (meaning very low velocity), without overfuelling during the off-idle transition.

Speaking of low oil pressure, there's a low oil pressure switch located in a recess on the left side of the crankcase, near the front, under the left cylinder. It's a simple open/close switch. Do you want to wire that pressure switch up to an unused indicator light on the Acewell? I mean, if there is one available. If none available, you can use a panel mount LED.


Yes Jim, I'd love to have the lo beam stay on adding the hi when I flip to hi. The HID powers up so slow that I wouldn't run across a dark garage while waiting for the change, let alone blast down a dark country road at 80 mph.

My switch gear allows for lights off/running lights(didn't use)/lo beam/hi beam. I'm using lights off when I start the bike, this battery has plenty of CCA's, but only 7 ah in reserve, don't want to kill it in the middle of hell and gone.

Answered the idle speed thing above, thanks for the insight!!

Yes, I really want to add the neutral light and the oil pressure would be good too. I've got room for more lights on the Highway Dirtbikes top clamp, room for switches and lights there.

Wanna hear something funny? Went down to Radio Shack and got a couple of lights for the dash..was gonna do the neutral lite like you told me and the charge light, wired them up and nothing...dig in the trash and find the box...AC , that wasted 2 hours.







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Wiring Diagram from the original install......Sorry it took so long to post this up.
Time Delay Relay is a Direct Electronics 528T pulse timer delay relay.
15 Amps - 10 - 45 second delay on
The time delay was set up for Low beam "Delay On" so that after starting the motor the low beam would be delayed allowing voltage stabilize before firing.
I put it in to save the ballast from getting fried.


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Thanks man, wasn't really expecting the diagram...thanks a bunch!!!




I was planning for lights off for starting and didn't even think of the delay relay for that purpose.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:31 AM   #262
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Rob, how many days did it take you...........?

Well, the wife went to Oregon over Labor Day weekend and I ripped "her" motorcycle in half and started selling off stuff I didn't need anymore.

I've got over 200 hours of labor in it, so..eight hours per day...something like 30 days of actual garage time. Probably 5 eight hour days of research and parts ordering.

I really had some awesome guys step up with suggestions, hands on help, free parts, tool loans and long distance coaching. I couldn't have done it without their help...thanks dewds!!

Without somebody smart enough to talk to the ignition company this wouldn't have happened at all...thanks Poolside!!
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:13 AM   #263
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I was listening to this song when I decided to do the build. It's called 'Road Zombie' by Social Distortion.


The full build in minutes, from start to finish:


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Old 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM   #264
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Threw in a quick valve adjustment, right side exhausts were way sloppy...might be rocker shaft bushings or a crappy adjustment by the last person to do it. Used JVB's HOW article to find the specs, thanks dude, I didn't read the whole thread, but I don't recommend the feeler across both valves...that takes the feel away and that's the whole point.




I tried for an hour to get the idle to 1000 rpm and it just won't do it, it upsets the carb balance for some reason that is beyond me. At 800 rpm I can dial the sync down to perfect. On the plus side, the valve adjustment took care of the off idle stutter...the right cylinder just never felt right until the adjust. On a bike I'm trying to dial in for performance I set to the tight side, especially a bike like this that is so easy to get to. Don't argue, I've done thousands of valve adjustments...I quit a job because I couldn't take one more frickin valve adjustment on a Cummins 8.3.




Took it for a spin and replaced a bolt for the right peg that ripped the threads out when I took it out. Found a leak at the top of the clutch slave, the slave looks new, but the crush washers look old...come on people.








I need a vacation. Gonna put together a better than normal set of tools to take on this trip tomorrow and hopefully I can just sit in the hot springs and relax for the first time in months.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:05 PM   #265
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I need a vacation. Gonna put together a better than normal set of tools to take on this trip tomorrow and hopefully I can just sit in the hot springs and relax for the first time in months.
You mean you're not gonna take a laptop and write the whole time you're gone???



That video looked great - I like how you timed the images to the beat of the music.

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Old 11-10-2011, 02:20 PM   #266
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:12 PM   #267
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You mean you're not gonna take a laptop and write the whole time you're gone???



That video looked great - I like how you timed the images to the beat of the music.


Maybe I'll blog with pen and paper?



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Good on ya Rob!!

Thanks Ralph!!


Ok, figured out why I couldn't get my idle any higher...had the tach set wrong.

Kept it pinned in third to test the rev limiter and it stopped at 3400 on the tach and the Volker box stops it around 6500 rpm I think. I'm not gonna fiddle with it anymore right now, but I set the dash to read the revs right.

I found a set of taller risers here in the garage, I'll take them with me, ride down on this set to see how I like it and change to the taller ones in camp if need be.

Sadly Paris had to return home after getting all of the way down to the Fish Lake Valley. He's the cool dude I met at the springs a few years ago. Ever since he had those strokes from a torn blood vessel in his neck he has kept track of his blood pressure and things were getting out of hand...better safe than sorry.
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:57 PM   #268
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Typing out loud...

The carbs are dialed in pretty good. Cold starting is perfect, hot starting not so much. That tells me it's still a little fat on the pilot, right? Not much I can do about it right now and shouldn't be a big issue on this trip, but I'll need to get things dialed in better before next summer.

gaspipe is digging out his jetting spec sheet that he used on The Prince of Darkness for me, his pup just died and I hope he's drinking a few brews.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:56 AM   #269
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Ok and like Poolside says next I probably should bump the idle up to help the cat out...I ran out of time to build my custom muffler and when that goes on I can drop my idle back down.
The catalyst enclosure is a 2.5 chamber muffler all to itself. You can cut it apart and remove the catalyst element, then weld it back together. I emailed you some pictures.

The higher speed idle (1100rpm ) is only relevant for the ECU control. The carburetors will never produce the correct Oxygen supply in the exhaust sufficient to catalyze the extra hydrocarbons. On your bike the catalyst element will be an inert lump. The low idle speed can be whatever rpm you wish, with respect for the low oil pressure limit.


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Yes Jim, I'd love to have the lo beam stay on adding the hi when I flip to hi. The HID powers up so slow that I wouldn't run across a dark garage while waiting for the change, let alone blast down a dark country road at 80 mph.

My switch gear allows for lights off/running lights(didn't use)/lo beam/hi beam. I'm using lights off when I start the bike, this battery has plenty of CCA's, but only 7 ah in reserve, don't want to kill it in the middle of hell and gone.

I was planning for lights off for starting and didn't even think of the delay relay for that purpose.
Regarding 'lights off' when starting, I relize you are switching the lights off manually using the perch switch. But if you prefer, the HIDs can be forced off automatically until the alternator powers up. That feature would be controlled by the alternator blue wire. Let me know.


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Yes, I really want to add the neutral light and the oil pressure would be good too. I've got room for more lights on the Highway Dirtbikes top clamp, room for switches and lights there.

Wanna hear something funny? Went down to Radio Shack and got a couple of lights for the dash..was gonna do the neutral lite like you told me and the charge light, wired them up and nothing...dig in the trash and find the box...AC , that wasted 2 hours.
Classic!

Hey, I'm pretty sure the alternator indicator light needs to be a small incandescent bulb, not an LED. The neutral indicator can be any type of light you wish (except 120VAC).


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Where are the switch diagrams? Do traces B and C, for the high beam and low beam, provide 12V when 'true'? (When 'switched on' I mean.)



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