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Old 12-16-2011, 06:11 PM   #31
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WOW That is one sweet M23 !!!

It's more the engine capacity.

I am actually not sure if the frame is the same. I know I have an article that compares the two models but I will need to dig for it.

The Mk 2 has a slightly larger wheelbase of 1315 mm vs 1305 on the M8

" " heavier at 102 Kilos vs. 97 Kilos "

Both are the same height at both seat and bars.

It is surprising how much beefier the Mk2 feels next to the M8 looking at those #'s, but the Mk 2 definitely feels bigger.

I am 5'6 155 and the smaller bike fits me like a glove.

PSchrauber has good reason to have issues with the Metralla as despite the simple design they can be finicky.
I have been chasing small problems since I got it.
I would not feel comfortable riding a long way on it not only for the mechanical/electrical gremlins but because they vibrate like crazy.
You need to keep the torque wrench ready and the story goes that with the Mk2 you had to carry a pocketful of plugs and tail lights.

But I love it none the less.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:59 AM   #32
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you are assuming that i possess common sense.

okay, talked a bit with the owner - no paperwork at all, bike runs, rims are straight, everything works, tank is straight but has had a later model gas cap welded into place, might be slightly negotiable on price, but is unwilling to talk much on the phone.

hmmm...

http://images.craigslist.org/5Q45W45...0cec111010.jpg
That same bike is back on the market.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/2778763727.html
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Old 01-03-2012, 04:35 AM   #33
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Wish I was closer (and didn't just spend all my play money on an R69S)
That is worth a look - if maybe not the asking price.

For the record - it is official - the M8 frame and the M23 frames are NOT the same.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:29 PM   #34
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I really wish you guys would stop posting these pictures of Metrallas.... in my opinion one of the prettiest motorcycles ever made and I deeply regret not buying one years ago when I had the chance.

A friend of mine at work had a small collection of Bultacos and after he suffered a stroke and a year or two went by it was obvious he was never going to be able to ride again.He had an early Matador, an Alpina, two Lobitos and the most gorgeous Metralla withe the road racing kit. Unfortunately he wanted to sell all five bikes at once - I just wanted the Metralla but I went over to his house to check out the bikes. Two of the dirt bikes were in his carport and the other two were in the shed out back - I was looking for the Metralla and couldn't see it so I asked Bob where it was. - He led me inside to his den where it was up on a stand with small spotlights aimed at it - it sat where he could gaze at it from his recliner. It was beautiful and I just could not persuade him to sell it separately ( I think he was using the package deal as an excuse to his wife so he could keep it in his den).

Any way I went with one of the other Spanish alternatives - an Ossa Wildfire - 185 lbs of pure magical fun.

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Old 01-04-2012, 06:55 AM   #35
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I took the R69S out yesterday - it was very very nice, but I kept finding myself thinking about how much I love my little Metralla ...
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:04 AM   #36
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Hey Solaros - I just noticed your avatar - is that a C or a B ?
Do you have a bigger pic of it posted anywhere ?
I have a [slightly less] early P car.

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Old 01-04-2012, 08:55 AM   #37
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Hey Solaros - I just noticed your avatar - is that a C or a B ?
Do you have a bigger pic of it posted anywhere ?
I have a [slightly less] early P car.
Its a Kustomized 1956 356A Carrera coupe - lots of pictures on my smugmug pages at www.solaros1.smugmug.com

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Old 01-04-2012, 10:20 AM   #38
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Wow - sure is different than I was expecting all blown up !
Thought it might have been an Outlaw but not that.

I just saw a piece on that car a little while ago in Pano or Excellence ?
Can't remember where but I know I saw it.

Quite a history of toys - love the Corsa.

Get a Metralla - you won't regret it ( to put this back on topic )
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:34 AM   #39
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Wow - sure is different than I was expecting all blown up !
Thought it might have been an Outlaw but not that.

I just saw a piece on that car a little while ago in Pano or Excellence ?
Can't remember where but I know I saw it.

Quite a history of toys - love the Corsa.

Get a Metralla - you won't regret it ( to put this back on topic )
It's the original Outlaw Porsche...

There were articles in both Panorama and Excellence last summer after its appearance at the Amelia Island Concours. I think Classic Motorsports is going to do an article on it as well.

The Corsa was fun - by the time I got through tweaking the turbocharged engine it was putting out something north of 250 HP - enough to light up the E60 x 14 tires going into third gear and strong enough to push the car to 132 mph (timed between mile markers on I-75). It was the victim of a teenager who blew through a stop sign and T-boned it in the drivers door - no injuries but a bent Corvair.

I actually owned my Wildfire twice - sold it and bought it back about ten years later. It was the OSSA equivalent of the Metralla but not quite as pretty. I always wanted to replace the standard 230cc 4-speed (around 26 HP) with a 250cc 5-speed OSSA Phantom engine (42 HP with an extra gear). Since I had already collected a warning ticket in Chambers County Alabama for doing 112 mph in a 55 zone on the Wildfire with the stock engine I sort of thought having that much more engine would not be conducive to being able to stay out of jail (although I bet I could have gotten it over 125 with the right gearing).

My wife does not want me to take any more projects on right now although I'm trying to resist a vintage Husky WR250 that's for sale near me right now for $1300 - having watched "On Any Sunday" again last week isn't helping any.....

But these are so pretty.... one of the best looking fuel tanks ever designed
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:05 PM   #40
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It's the original Outlaw Porsche...
Yes, very very special.
Mind boggling and humbling.

Shocking, the kind of people that frequent this site....hat's off to you sir.
And thanks.

Makes me feel even better that you would appreciate the Metralla - I thought it was just me (and maybe the Museum of Modern Art which I have heard has one in their collection)
I agree, one of the sweetest designs ever.
Simple, no-nonsense, form follows function with a Spanish earthiness.
- Like a Jabugo hanging from the ceiling with a plastic cup jammed into it to catch the grease dripping off it.

And don't get me started on the TSS ! ( Which by the way shares the same frame as the M8 )
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:03 PM   #41
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That same bike is back on the market.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/2778763727.html
i know, i know...

just taunting me.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:21 PM   #42
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Two from Spain:

http://anuncios.ebay.es/motor/bultac...a-gts/10847859

http://anuncios.ebay.es/motor/bultaco-mkii/10351266

What's the Dollar/Euro rate now..
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:53 AM   #43
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It's the original Outlaw Porsche...

There were articles in both Panorama and Excellence last summer after its appearance at the Amelia Island Concours. I think Classic Motorsports is going to do an article on it as well.

The Corsa was fun - by the time I got through tweaking the turbocharged engine it was putting out something north of 250 HP - enough to light up the E60 x 14 tires going into third gear and strong enough to push the car to 132 mph (timed between mile markers on I-75). It was the victim of a teenager who blew through a stop sign and T-boned it in the drivers door - no injuries but a bent Corvair.

I actually owned my Wildfire twice - sold it and bought it back about ten years later. It was the OSSA equivalent of the Metralla but not quite as pretty. I always wanted to replace the standard 230cc 4-speed (around 26 HP) with a 250cc 5-speed OSSA Phantom engine (42 HP with an extra gear). Since I had already collected a warning ticket in Chambers County Alabama for doing 112 mph in a 55 zone on the Wildfire with the stock engine I sort of thought having that much more engine would not be conducive to being able to stay out of jail (although I bet I could have gotten it over 125 with the right gearing).

My wife does not want me to take any more projects on right now although I'm trying to resist a vintage Husky WR250 that's for sale near me right now for $1300 - having watched "On Any Sunday" again last week isn't helping any.....

But these are so pretty.... one of the best looking fuel tanks ever designed
That is a very sexy bike, I like my 79 Daytona but that is really nice, can I date it
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:51 AM   #44
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Here's 2 more. In the US this time.

MK2
http://austin.craigslist.org/mcy/2836270688.html

M8
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/mcy/2836252298.html
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:51 PM   #45
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FYI
If anyone's interested, mine's for sale . . .

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=805410
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