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Old 01-03-2012, 11:39 AM   #46
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Been looking for one of these for a while now. Thanks.
Note: those are the (old) 2010/2011 editions... all the basics are there, but some subtle changes to things like eligibility, Waypoint navigation/penalties for speeding etc. and changes to the tech regs for both Auto's, moto's and QUADS.

Here are the 2012 regs;
AUTOS/TRUCKS
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs...LAIS_FINAL.pdf

MOTOS/QUADS
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs...LAIS_FINAL.pdf

QUAD -Technical changes to 2012:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs/REGLEMENT_QUADS_US.pdf
this was what all the fuffle was about thye quads this year

and the Assistance teams:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs...istance_US.pdf
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:12 PM   #47
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:03 PM   #48
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You have a fixed time frame to do your liaison. You'll get your start time from the bivouac told the evening before, get stamped out in the morning and have to turn up at the special stage start (DSS) on time. The time frame should be long enough to refuel if necessary and ride within the normal speed limit on public roads. Of course liaison can be long, and if anything goes wrong, you can be in real trouble real quick. So it's not just a leisurely ride in the countryside.
Can you haul the mail on the liason to get to the SS early, perhaps for rest, or bike stuff, or do you burn time checks like old enduros?
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:14 PM   #49
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Can you haul the mail on the liason to get to the SS early, perhaps for rest, or bike stuff, or do you burn time checks like old enduros?
Speed limits must be observed as most all liaison sections are open, public roads. The ASO monitors speed limits and penalties can be assessed, even outside of the timed stage.
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:16 PM   #50
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Can you haul the mail on the liason to get to the SS early, perhaps for rest, or bike stuff, or do you burn time checks like old enduros?

your GPS system records your speed and if you go excessively fast on the liason you can get penalties I believe. In australia we all had radios and they could track our speeds via the radio. They gave out a few verbal warnings one night for the anonymous riders doing 140km/h on the liason.
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Has anyone found the standings for the Elf Malles Moto class as well as the Production class standings??
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Has anyone found the standings for the Elf Malles Moto class as well as the Production class standings??
THose have been historically hard to find (if at all). Gotta do a manual run, but then you never know who's changed classes along the way.
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Note: those are the (old) 2010/2011 editions... all the basics are there, but some subtle changes to things like eligibility, Waypoint navigation/penalties for speeding etc. and changes to the tech regs for both Auto's, moto's and QUADS.

Here are the 2012 regs;
AUTOS/TRUCKS
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs...LAIS_FINAL.pdf

MOTOS/QUADS
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs...LAIS_FINAL.pdf

QUAD -Technical changes to 2012:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs/REGLEMENT_QUADS_US.pdf
this was what all the fuffle was about thye quads this year

and the Assistance teams:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2012/docs...istance_US.pdf
Thanks, Troy. Was looking for those earlier but couldn't find the.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:44 AM   #54
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THose have been historically hard to find (if at all). Gotta do a manual run, but then you never know who's changed classes along the way.
Yeah, marathon class is a sucker for that...
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:40 PM   #55
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Great thread. I'm watching from Italy on a UK Sky card. The coverage is sparse to say the least but im able to piece things together on the inter web. Thanks for this everyone.
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Just learning about the race.

Do motos and trucks share the same route and cp / wp's? I learned they are separated by start times but wondered if they mix on the same track.

Does the track / course vary allot? How could you loose your way if you weren't starting in the #1 spot? How do they disable GPS devices?

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Old 01-06-2012, 04:09 AM   #58
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Just learning about the race.

Do motos and trucks share the same route and cp / wp's? I learned they are separated by start times but wondered if they mix on the same track.

Does the track / course vary allot? How could you loose your way if you weren't starting in the #1 spot? How do they disable GPS devices?

Thanks, something new to learn as there are many on ADV site.

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Generally, the route is the same for bikes, quads, cars and trucks. Every now and then (and more often in South America, it seems), trucks and sometimes even cars have a different route for a part of the day - if there's some river crossing or narrow river bed on the course. But it is a common occurrence for the mid-pack riders to get caught by cars or even trucks half way across the stage.

All vehicles are equipped with the sentinel system, something like a wireless/radio horn: When a car comes from behind, your bike will start blaring an alarm, so you know you should get the hell out of the way before you're blinded in a dust cloud. There's a great scene in the Race to Dakar DVD when the boys are stopped at the side of the track with a broken fuel tank and suddenly all the bikes start beeping. A few moments later, a car comes by.


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Does the track / course vary allot? How could you loose your way if you weren't starting in the #1 spot? How do they disable GPS devices?
Depends. On gravel roads, there's always the chance to take a wrong turn on an intersection. In the dunes, there may be tracks all over the place: From competitors who navigated correctly, from competitors who "naviguessed" wrong, from spectators having a fun day out on their dirtbikes. Following the wrong tracks instead of your own navigation is a common occurrence on the Dakar.

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There's a great scene in the Race to Dakar DVD when the boys are stopped at the side of the track with a broken fuel tank and suddenly all the bikes start beeping. A few moments later, a car comes by.
Also in the stage 3 coverage, there is a handlebar mounted view of Rosa Romero Font and you hear the alarm start going off, She pulls over, looks to her right, and then another car comes flying past.
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Can you haul the mail on the liason to get to the SS early
In Argentina speed limit on our gps´s was 120, road speed limit not including speed zones ranged from 40-110. As long as you did not go over the gps limit and do not get stopped by local authorities you are fine.

The gps limit will probably drop in Chile and Peru as they have a lower legal limit.
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