Rallye navigation bracket photo thread - Page 12

ArthDuro · 02-02-2012, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vander

same same

Yes same watch different strap as I said. Devil is in the details. He must have upgraded to an aftermarket component for rally purposes.

doyle · 02-02-2012, 09:07 AM

Seems the HDPE makes the structure of the tower unnecessarily thick where space savings is critical. Certainly I can see the benefits of a flexible mount as he demonstrates, but why not a flexible mount with a more traditional aluminum tower? Seems as though the consensus is that the weight is similar, so why bother with the extra thickness of a full plastic structure? A flexible mount with some damping built in to minimize vibration should be sufficient.

wrk2surf · 02-02-2012, 09:19 AM

perhaps because he is on a shoestring budget living in a second or third world country..

doyle · 02-02-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wrk2surf

perhaps because he is on a shoestring budget living in a second or third world country..

Point taken, but I am not really wondering why he built his bracket that way, just wondering why the discussion seems to have turned to plastic versus aluminum for the entire structure?

640 Armageddon · 02-02-2012, 09:54 AM

Maybe easier to manufacture a Navtower this way if you are an everyday person without acccess to a machinist (I agree with the other point about the 2nd world country... ) . You buy everything of the self and all you need is a drill and a good heat gun. In any case I think it is better to make it flexible where it needs to be. I think if you have a crash like the Kawa above, the Roadbook holder itself for example will sustain a major damage, may be completely destroy itself. If you put some though in to the Navtower I am sure you can carry some major spare parts (i.e. you make it break where you would like to break, like the brake levers for example) and curry a couple of Al plates with you

wrk2surf · 02-02-2012, 09:57 AM

I think because metal bends and breaks whereas plastic bends and then returns to its shape... and the vibration factor..also I see that you can fab up and carry two or three spares for not much money or effort.

Carlos M · 02-03-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wrk2surf

perhaps because he is on a shoestring budget living in a second or third world country..

The guy is definitely on a shoestring budget but it is the first time I've heard of Spain as being in the "second or third world"

tehdutchie · 02-03-2012, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlos M

The guy is definitely on a shoestring budget but it is the first time I've heard of Spain as being in the "second or third world"

trailtrick · 02-03-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wrk2surf

perhaps because he is on a shoestring budget living in a second or third world country..

Spain is no a second o third world country

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also remember third world country quickly comming first world

trailtrick · 02-03-2012, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos M

The guy is definitely on a shoestring budget but it is the first time I've heard of Spain as being in the "second or third world"

Same here

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wrk2surf · 02-03-2012, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos M

The guy is definitely on a shoestring budget but it is the first time I've heard of Spain as being in the "second or third world"

I thought he was from a small South American/Central Amercian country .. sorry .. went about that reply the wrong way ... i tried to get my point across the wrong way.. my bad.. should have went something like this...

due to a limited amount of manufaturing or CNC machining facility's at his disposal where he lives... he decided to shape a navagation tower out of something easily shaped..

I am far from putting down anyone... or any country.. dont take this as an attack on anyone.... or any place...

Carlos M · 02-04-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wrk2surf

.due to a limited amount of manufaturing or CNC machining facility's at his disposal where he lives... he decided to shape a navagation tower out of something easily shaped..

I am far from putting down anyone... or any country.. dont take this as an attack on anyone.... or any place...

We figured that. Don't worry It was just the F5 habit of getting all facts straight

Plenty of CNC in Spain. According to some of the interviews, Paco Martinez was on a very small budget, is an inventive person who likes to do things on his own and probably he is not very worried with the finishing of his solution. He finished Dakar on that ugly looking thing, that's for sure.

GZPainter · 02-06-2012, 03:35 AM

And a little bit spamming... (not so much but relative to the issue...)
Hey Armageddon....what program are you using to create this one??
It doesn't look like ProEngineer...it may look difficult and time consuming but it is amazing!!

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Originally Posted by 640 Armageddon

Nav Tower

640 Armageddon · 02-06-2012, 07:09 AM

Small world, GZPainter, I am also from Crete and I have lived in the UK for more than 10 years

Anyways, It is a mixture of programs, mostly Autodesk's series (Inventor, Fusion, Alias) and Solidworks for some parts... FEA using ANSYS to make sure everything will stay in place or it that iw will brake where I want it to...

HogWild · 02-08-2012, 06:46 PM

The old school way is mounting your nav gear on the crossbar. And put your tool box on top of the gas tank!

02-02-2012, 09:07 AM	#167
doyle RallyRaidReview-ing Joined: Jan 2004 Location: Off Piste Oddometer: 21,525	Seems the HDPE makes the structure of the tower unnecessarily thick where space savings is critical. Certainly I can see the benefits of a flexible mount as he demonstrates, but why not a flexible mount with a more traditional aluminum tower? Seems as though the consensus is that the weight is similar, so why bother with the extra thickness of a full plastic structure? A flexible mount with some damping built in to minimize vibration should be sufficient. __________________ *Got Smugmug? Use code HWkDUhHwGv5Tc for a discount.* RallyRaidReview - @RallyRaidReview

02-02-2012, 09:19 AM	#168
wrk2surf ^OP BITD/Rallye Joined: Dec 2007 Location: THE exact center of California/Bass lake/Yosemite Oddometer: 5,311	perhaps because he is on a shoestring budget living in a second or third world country.. __________________ Thanks for the 2013 support: DUNLOP, BELL HELMETS, Kriega USA, Carbon-pro.com, Ride 100% Goggles, Renazco Racing, Sidi/Motonation, Acerbis USA,KLeN, FMF, Mx1west,,Masters paint and body, Magura , motolab ,and Freedom Cycle

02-02-2012, 09:54 AM	#170
640 Armageddon Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Greece Oddometer: 440	Maybe easier to manufacture a Navtower this way if you are an everyday person without acccess to a machinist (I agree with the other point about the 2nd world country... ) . You buy everything of the self and all you need is a drill and a good heat gun. In any case I think it is better to make it flexible where it needs to be. I think if you have a crash like the Kawa above, the Roadbook holder itself for example will sustain a major damage, may be completely destroy itself. If you put some though in to the Navtower I am sure you can carry some major spare parts (i.e. you make it break where you would like to break, like the brake levers for example) and curry a couple of Al plates with you 640 Armageddon screwed with this post 02-02-2012 at 11:26 AM

02-02-2012, 09:57 AM	#171
wrk2surf ^OP BITD/Rallye Joined: Dec 2007 Location: THE exact center of California/Bass lake/Yosemite Oddometer: 5,311	I think because metal bends and breaks whereas plastic bends and then returns to its shape... and the vibration factor..also I see that you can fab up and carry two or three spares for not much money or effort. __________________ Thanks for the 2013 support: DUNLOP, BELL HELMETS, Kriega USA, Carbon-pro.com, Ride 100% Goggles, Renazco Racing, Sidi/Motonation, Acerbis USA,KLeN, FMF, Mx1west,,Masters paint and body, Magura , motolab ,and Freedom Cycle

02-08-2012, 06:46 PM	#180
HogWild Scott Whitney Joined: Nov 2003 Location: SoCal USA Oddometer: 2,230	The old school way is mounting your nav gear on the crossbar. And put your tool box on top of the gas tank! __________________ Going where no Harley has gone before HogWildRacing.com

02-06-2012, 07:09 AM	#179
640 Armageddon Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Greece Oddometer: 440	Small world, GZPainter, I am also from Crete and I have lived in the UK for more than 10 years Anyways, It is a mixture of programs, mostly Autodesk's series (Inventor, Fusion, Alias) and Solidworks for some parts... FEA using ANSYS to make sure everything will stay in place or it that iw will brake where I want it to...

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