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Old 02-06-2012, 09:02 AM   #196
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seems McLaren is either really right... or really wrong (or it really won't matter much).
The Woking crew seems to be making a habit of starting each season on the back foot, with respect to aero developments.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:05 AM   #197
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:27 AM   #198
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:21 AM   #199
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At least the Red Bull paint job hides its ugly duck bill nose
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:37 AM   #200
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At least the Red Bull paint job hides its ugly duck bill nose

well it is interesting the Torro Rosso nose is a lot different than the Red Bull.
the red Bull launch though just has renderings & a weird video for now.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:34 AM   #201
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It appears the RB8 has some ducting in the nose step. Man Newey has never even seen "inside the box". The ToroRosso has an interesting step treatment as well. Have they done any testing yet?
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:38 AM   #202
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testing has started for some of the teams at Jerez.
Kimi was out today in the Lotus.

oops.. I misspoke

they have been out purely for "filming purposes"

http://www.lotusf1team.com/The-E20-lights-up-Jerez.html
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:41 PM   #203
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well it is interesting the Torro Rosso nose is a lot different than the Red Bull.
Toro Rosso say they plan to change their nose to a "more aggressive" design. More or less saying they got it wrong for the launch.

This leaves McLaren as the outlier. Very interesting. Either they're geniuses or they blundered. Hard to see a middle ground.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:45 PM   #204
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Read this after writing that.

The argument for "genius":

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Read this after writing that.

The argument for "genius":
McLaren nose compared to "maximums"

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I feel sorry for plucky Sauber. Their technical director quits just a few weeks before the season starts.
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Honestly i don't even see the need for the step nose thing, is that just me? If the nose needs to be lowered the only thing in the way of that seems to be the front suspension where it meets the chassis, and if that can be designed in a way to lower the whole assembly, then the step is no longer necessary? Maybe this is the Maclaren approach? Maybe (most likely) I'm just not seeing something...
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Honestly i don't even see the need for the step nose thing, is that just me? If the nose needs to be lowered the only thing in the way of that seems to be the front suspension where it meets the chassis, and if that can be designed in a way to lower the whole assembly, then the step is no longer necessary? Maybe this is the Maclaren approach? Maybe (most likely) I'm just not seeing something...
The limit becomes one of geometry. The upper and lower wishbones have to be a certain distance apart on order for the wheel/upright to maintain the proper angles through it's movement. That said, most of this nose issue is prompted on the new rule that the nose height may not exceed 550mm due to the fact that some noses were getting too close to the cockpit minimum height of 625mm. The difference between the bulkhead/chassis placement and the nose height restriction is why the hump noses are now appearing. Simply moving the suspension down may help with CoG, but it then interferes with the aerodynamics through the massively important frontal zone which serves to channel the airflow to the most critical of areas, under the car and around the sidepods. The more 'free' area under the nose, the better they are able to control and sculpt the airflow. The last thing they want is to have to incorporate clunky suspension bits there.
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The limit becomes one of geometry. The upper and lower wishbones have to be a certain distance apart on order for the wheel/upright to maintain the proper angles through it's movement. That said, most of this nose issue is prompted on the new rule that the nose height may not exceed 550mm due to the fact that some noses were getting to close to the cockpit minimum height of 625mm. The difference between the bulkhead/chassis placement and the nose height restriction is why the hump noses are now appearing. Simply moving the suspension down may help with CoG, but it then interferes with the aerodynamics through the massively important frontal zone which serves to channel the airflow to the most critical of areas, under the car and around the sidepods. The more 'free' area under the nose, the better they are able to control and sculpt the airflow. The last thing they want is to have to incorporate clunky suspension bits there.
Thanks for stating that so I could understand why.
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