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Old 02-08-2012, 07:28 PM   #181
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Looks like an awesome Mexican 1000 vintage entry!
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:52 AM   #182
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The old school way is mounting your nav gear on the crossbar. And put your tool box on top of the gas tank!

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Old 02-09-2012, 03:03 AM   #183
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And the waterproofing on the spark plug cable is good ...
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:21 PM   #184
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And the waterproofing on the spark plug cable is good ...
That's the kill switch. Short the lead out to the head.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:03 PM   #185
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:04 PM   #186
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:05 PM   #187
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Was thinking about this thread and wanted to add one more thought, especially for the US folks who haven't gotten to ride a roadbook before: the equipment is less important than getting to do it.

A bunch of folks here in Colorado started with the cheapy plastic acerbis just about duct-taped to the handlebars and a mechanical odo, and had an absolute blast.

I think many folks think they need all this stuff before they can go try it, that's not the case. KISS, then once you're addicted, start raising the game.

Sorry to pick on you, but you seemed to contradicted yourself a bit with the whole hog rally nav tower that you used for Dakar. Could you have done just as well with everything bolted to the H-bars? Maybe you realized that having everything off the bars was a better idea? Thanks for your time.
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:41 PM   #188
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Sorry to pick on you, but you seemed to contradicted yourself a bit with the whole hog rally nav tower that you used for Dakar. Could you have done just as well with everything bolted to the H-bars? Maybe you realized that having everything off the bars was a better idea? Thanks for your time.
I had interpreted his statement to mean that in the beginning the experience of road book navigation is the more important thing and that one shouldn't put that off because they do not have the high-end navigation equipment. While we would all love to have the optimal equipment set-up it may not be financially feasible (or really necessary) in the beginning of the learning curve. With that said, I don't think that anyone would suggest entering a competitive rallye at an international level with a manual road book.

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Old 02-29-2012, 06:07 AM   #189
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I had interpreted his statement to mean that in the beginning the experience of road book navigation is the more important thing and that one shouldn't put that off because they do not have the high-end navigation equipment. While we would all love to have the optimal equipment set-up it may not be financially feasible (or really necessary) in the beginning of the learning curve. With that said, I don't think that anyone would suggest entering a competitive rallye at an international level with a manual road book.

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Relax Ken, I'm asking because I'm at the point where I need to decide which way to go with a Nav setup. Money is an issue for me also, so spending it wisely is important. If Ned thinks it was a benefit to get the weight off the bars, then I'll really try to go that route. I don't have experience either way, so I need his advice. Do you have opinion? Which version do you prefer from a fatique point of view?
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:23 AM   #190
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I think the key point here is that the navigation setup could be different for different events. At the Safari rally I needed a roadbook and an odometer and that was it. I don't think GPS was allowed but it wouldn't have done you much good. I used a reasonably simple handlebar mount setup and did not find the weight on the bars to be much of an issue. The terrain consisted of loose sand roads and hard packed 2 tracks for the most part. In an event like Dakar with all the crap you have to carry a frame setup would be ideal given you have all the extra equipment on the bike.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:55 AM   #191
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We've been using this rally-light set up for a couplr of years now. Billet plate bolts to H/bar top clamp



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Old 02-29-2012, 07:50 AM   #192
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That's a nice simple set up Beaney, love it!

Seth, so all the extra weight on your bars wasn't an issue then? Honestly Seth, I don't want two or three different set ups for rally. Like I said, I'm at a place where I have some options and I'm trying to make a good decision. I don't ever plan on doing the Dakar, it has zero interest to me. I would like to do a few other rally events, like the MX1000, Toureg, Albania etc etc etc.

I've been thinking that a hybrid nav set up would be nice, a cross between the ultra simple H-bars style and the steering stem option. So far Paul's design seems like the best compromise between performance and simplicity but I've only done Rallymoto, so I don't have a clue if my thoughts are correct or not. As is usually the case, it's personal preference.

I'm hoping Ned chimes in
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Old 02-29-2012, 09:09 AM   #193
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That's a nice simple set up Beaney, love it!

Seth, so all the extra weight on your bars wasn't an issue then? Honestly Seth, I don't want two or three different set ups for rally. Like I said, I'm at a place where I have some options and I'm trying to make a good decision. I don't ever plan on doing the Dakar, it has zero interest to me. I would like to do a few other rally events, like the MX1000, Toureg, Albania etc etc etc.

I've been thinking that a hybrid nav set up would be nice, a cross between the ultra simple H-bars style and the steering stem option. So far Paul's design seems like the best compromise between performance and simplicity but I've only done Rallymoto, so I don't have a clue if my thoughts are correct or not. As is usually the case, it's personal preference.

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Pauls setup is looking good. You are welcome to borrow my bar clamp setup and take it for a local test drive..use it if you want. I'll sell you my F2R roadbook holder for a deal too....its a gen 1 rb unit and I'd like to switch to the newer version...but the old one would work fine for mexico.
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:14 AM   #194
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Pauls setup is looking good. You are welcome to borrow my bar clamp setup and take it for a local test drive..use it if you want. I'll sell you my F2R roadbook holder for a deal too....its a gen 1 rb unit and I'd like to switch to the newer version...but the old one would work fine for mexico.
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Beanie, Seth and Aaron, this is similar to what Seth and I were going to do last year before we kept the RMS mounts, I' like the looks of both, but the RMS mounts have the ability to be completely removed quickly and easily. The top clamp mounts will work with my guard setup, but it would be more of a pain to remove for single track and I'd like to see it farther away from the brake line or the lines run down the triple.

Aaron, we can look at something like that if you'd like, but the farther out from the steering stem, the more momentum you'll have and feel. It'll always be a compromise to some extent, but like you said, it's not Dakar, you can get away with a lot less.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:08 PM   #195
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Aaron,

If all you need is the roadbook and an ICO then I think the RMS sytem will work fine. I used it during a three day draining last year and had no problems, didn't really notice the weight on the bars at all. I also think this system is probably a little more crash worthy as it can rotate. For Dakar there is so much more needed to be mounted that a fix mount on the steering stem makes sense. I'd keep it as simple as possible.
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