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Old 02-09-2012, 07:20 AM   #1516
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An adv-bike with 130 hp . . . why not?

Admittedly, it's rather difficult to use more than 50 rear wheel horsepower on a dirt road . . . but with such heavy bikes as these, we are really talking about something closer to Autobahn adventure-tourer. A big and growing market segment . . . and customers always want more power (if only for prestige) . . . and for manufacturers, it would never do to have a flagship with substantially lower output than their competitors.

Interesting to know where it will all end . . .
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:48 AM   #1517
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An adv-bike with 130 hp . . . why not?

Admittedly, it's rather difficult to use more than 50 rear wheel horsepower on a dirt road . . . but with such heavy bikes as these, we are really talking about something closer to Autobahn adventure-tourer. A big and growing market segment . . . and customers always want more power (if only for prestige) . . . and for manufacturers, it would never do to have a flagship with substantially lower output than their competitors.

Interesting to know where it will all end . . .
130hp is not really about adventure touring...meaning bad roads, dirt, mud, stones. 50hp and less weight is the way to go.
130 hp is all about speed on pavement, bragging rights, image, bench racing/BSing.

130 hp sells That is what BMW, Ducatti, note the engine on the new honda!!

There are the poseurs, and then there are the serious adventure tours.

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Old 02-09-2012, 09:42 AM   #1518
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Thats a big HELL YEAH! I am in the position now to own a GSA but will go with the Tenere or Tiger 1200. Def the Yamaha Tenere 1200. I absolutely love the BMW GSA. It looks the part...it just looks so trick compared to the other bikes in the adv segment but I hate being stranded. I tend to get far away from civilazation so dependability is the absolute most important thing for me. Thats why I choose Japan motorcycles. Oh, as you guys probably can figure, i ride a Strom.
40,100 miles of haulin ass on dirt and asphalt with no problems on my '09 1200 GS. Never been stranded on the big girl. I could not see myself putting this kind of riding mileage on a jap bike, and, I own 7 other jap bikes that just sit in the basement.

Anyone want to buy a highly dependable jap bike? Got several for sale! Smooth as glass, zero personality!
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:43 AM   #1519
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Sorry, Jim, but that argument is rather weak!

For anyone with a general interest in motorcycling & adventure-riding [and keyboard time!!!] the G-Spot sites are relatively attractive . . . it's not just all the Angst and hurly-burly . . . it's the sheer accessibility of the layout of "threads with titles".
Unless you are a committed close-follower of one of the mega-threads of "Beasts" (or whatever) . . . it is difficult to keep in touch with what is happening there . . . yes, it is actually a bit daunting to find a thread with 2,000 or 20,000 posts sitting there . . . like a nightmare of unread emails.

(Have to put in a good word for "Hacks", in the same way )
G-spot is about GS's, no other reason to be here unless you are interested in GS's, or interested in whinning about them!

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Old 02-09-2012, 09:45 AM   #1520
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With more torque comes more horsepower. Horsepower = torque (ft-lbs) multiplied by rpm divided by 5252.
You want more torque, you take more horsepower at a given rpm.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:03 AM   #1521
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I would like to know why BMW needs to make a adv bike with 130hp???

B/c Ducati does.

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Old 02-09-2012, 10:33 AM   #1522
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Obviously you really want a BMW though, or you wouldn't be here!

Jim

I bought my DL1K6 VStrom, new because it was "more reliable" than the BMW, had a chain (I put a master link on it) and while I really liked that bike, I ended up with the bike that I really wanted in the first place, an R1200GS.
I can't believe I wasted the time and money on those other bikes. The GS is so far above them in performance and style, it really is.

It took two more bikes to get me back around to finally owning the GS. All because I was basically too cheap to spend the money. Let's see, three bikes in four years, and finally to the GS. Not a lot of financial sense in those purchases in the long run!!

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Old 02-09-2012, 01:33 PM   #1523
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With more torque comes more horsepower. Horsepower = torque (ft-lbs) multiplied by rpm divided by 5252.
You want more torque, you take more horsepower at a given rpm.
That's a limited perspective. a sportbike will make more peak HP than a GS but be less torque-y almost everywhere. If they simply boost torque output everywhere, then, yes, I agree with you. But, they may make the bike more peaky and less tractor-y, really sacrificing torque for HP.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:37 PM   #1524
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B/c Ducati does.

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Call me stupid if you want, but I don't mind traveling on pavement at relatively high speeds with a powerful engine in a relaxed way and having plenty of more power on tap when needed.

Not that i NEED 130hp, I do just fine with 110, but I wouldn't mind having more. Still, i'm not gonna run out and buy one just becouse, but I'll probably pick one up used a couple of years later, letting someone else pay for the pleasure of being first ;)
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:25 PM   #1525
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I would like to know why BMW needs to make a adv bike with 130hp???
I own an MTS, recently traveled the South Island of NZ on a GSA , two up with gear. Loved the bike , great in all areas except performance when needed. Now I know we can all argue that the power is right for market , but if I was to say what I'd like, to just own one bike, that would be the GS , then a little more go is it.

I ride with an assortment of riders, I ride MTS or RT , I have no difficulties keeping up on the RT,( which is a similar performer to the GSA ), except for overtaking and tight uphill corners .

So for me more power is just to make it that much better !
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:31 PM   #1526
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50hp and less weight is the way to go
They do go this way - try G650 GS Sertao - could be a good bit of kit. But why would you want to buy a 1200 with only 50hp, surely a one way path to bankrupcy for BMW. Hopefully the new model will have a range of engine maps so you can use the full 130+ hp when you want and tone it down a bit when in the rough stuff
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:13 PM   #1527
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:21 PM   #1528
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Call me stupid if you want, but I don't mind traveling on pavement at relatively high speeds with a powerful engine in a relaxed way and having plenty of more power on tap when needed.

Not that i NEED 130hp, I do just fine with 110, but I wouldn't mind having more. Still, i'm not gonna run out and buy one just becouse, but I'll probably pick one up used a couple of years later, letting someone else pay for the pleasure of being first ;)
I completely agree - I used to get my CBR1100XX up over 130 as often as possible. But the question was why is BMW giving the new GS 130HP. Answer: Because Ducati put 130HP+ in the Multi. They would much prefer to have a lower HP figures for a number reasons, but they will lose sales to Ducati unless they match Ducati's HP figures. g-
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:25 PM   #1529
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Then why not go for 190hp? If you 'need' 130hp, you'll certainly 'need' 190hp. Then 200hp. . . .

On an adv bike. . .
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:30 PM   #1530
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Then why do those people who like sit-up sport-tourer bikes don't simply buy sit-up sport-tourer bikes? Why buy a GS and then tell everyone "I just use it as a tourer?"
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