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Old 02-13-2012, 07:47 PM   #31
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Well that sold it for me CJ - its on backorder. Any idea when the units will begin shipping?

Email me for more info.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:20 PM   #32
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Email sent.

And to ask what everyone else is thinking (sorry for the hijack) but what are the 2wd frames available for purchase?
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:25 AM   #33
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Great write ups guys! I have some questions and till now could not get satisfying answers.
I'd like to put a Rekluse clutch into my 450 EXC but am not sure which one to buy. My mates use the Z-star pro and are happy. I assumed that the EXP must be better as its newer and costs a lot more (USD 1300 over here). I asked the boyz and they say its designed to keep the clutch lever. And this is exactly what I do not want as the clutch lever will be removed and I plan to brake the rear wheel with the left hand. KTM offers a left hand brake cylinder kit exactly for those who dont use the clutch anymore...
Can I use the EXP completely without clutch lever or is it better to go for the Z-start pro (which KTM recommends. Well, its even available through them´and that might be the reason..)

PS. I do the slow and hard trails steep up and down, so no MX racing, just pure and hard enduro with tricky sections...
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:57 AM   #34
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One question:

Is the EXP potentially as hard on clutch basket fingers as the Z-Start Pro?

I would like to retain the stock basket if at all possible.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:06 AM   #35
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Email sent.

And to ask what everyone else is thinking (sorry for the hijack) but what are the 2wd frames available for purchase?

You must have missed the email. The last batch of 100 are already sold out.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:12 AM   #36
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Great write ups guys! I have some questions and till now could not get satisfying answers.
I'd like to put a Rekluse clutch into my 450 EXC but am not sure which one to buy. My mates use the Z-star pro and are happy. I assumed that the EXP must be better as its newer and costs a lot more (USD 1300 over here). I asked the boyz and they say its designed to keep the clutch lever. And this is exactly what I do not want as the clutch lever will be removed and I plan to brake the rear wheel with the left hand. KTM offers a left hand brake cylinder kit exactly for those who dont use the clutch anymore...
Can I use the EXP completely without clutch lever or is it better to go for the Z-start pro (which KTM recommends. Well, its even available through them´and that might be the reason..)

PS. I do the slow and hard trails steep up and down, so no MX racing, just pure and hard enduro with tricky sections...
Thanks.

The z-start pro and EXP use almost none of the same parts. What year is your bike? The 450 setup is differant than the 950/990 setup. You get a new outer preasure plate. That's where the price increase comes from over the LC8 unit.

I don't see why the EXP could not be used with clutch lever removed once properly setup. I don't use it all when going slow, just blip and shift. You learn it fast. I use my clutch lever more for aggressive riding when down shifting several gears at once. What ever you could do with a standard tranny "Power Shifting" you can do with the Rekluse.

I'm going to dig into this a bit more and see what I can find out for you.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:19 AM   #37
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One question:

Is the EXP potentially as hard on clutch basket fingers as the Z-Start Pro?

I would like to retain the stock basket if at all possible.
No,

Both systems work fine with the OEM basket for 90% of the riders out there, when you start riding hard that's when the Finger tips started to give me issues with the Z-start. - That was fixed with a Billet basket.

The design of the EXP put the Rekluse unit further down in the fiber pack.

The Z-start pro, put a lot of the drive pressure on the basket tips.

We still find many riders start to get grooves in an OEM basket around 40-60,000 miles depending on there riding style and terrain they use there bike it. These grooves start to hang up the clutch system giving them inconsistent performance. That's the reason I'm still pushing to make more Billet baskets.

The EXP system is about a 1-1.5 hr install time, much faster than the Z-start pro.

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Old 02-16-2012, 11:53 AM   #38
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Thanks.

The z-start pro and EXP use almost none of the same parts. What year is your bike? The 450 setup is differant than the 950/990 setup. You get a new outer preasure plate. That's where the price increase comes from over the LC8 unit.

I don't see why the EXP could not be used with clutch lever removed once properly setup. I don't use it all when going slow, just blip and shift. You learn it fast. I use my clutch lever more for aggressive riding when down shifting several gears at once. What ever you could do with a standard tranny "Power Shifting" you can do with the Rekluse.

I'm going to dig into this a bit more and see what I can find out for you.
Many thanks cjracer
My 450 EXC is a 2010 model, the one which has two seperated oil circuits for engine and gearbox. I read the Rekluse EXP installation guide and the clutch lever seems to be necessary to check the initial setup, but once the clutch is properly adjusted it should be possible to remove the clutch master cylinder and replace it buy a brake master cylinder for the rear brake.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:17 PM   #39
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No,

Both systems work fine with the OEM basket for 90% of the riders out there, when you start riding hard that's when the Finger tips started to give me issues with the Z-start. - That was fixed with a Billet basket.

The design of the EXP put the Rekluse unit further down in the fiber pack.

The Z-start pro, put a lot of the drive pressure on the basket tips.

We still find many riders start to get grooves in an OEM basket around 40-60,000 miles depending on there riding style and terrain they use there bike it. These grooves start to hang up the clutch system giving them inconsistent performance. That's the reason I'm still pushing to make more Billet baskets.

The EXP system is about a 1-1.5 hr install time, much faster than the Z-start pro.

Thanks, Craig.

Just I wanted to hear.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:42 AM   #40
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I guess I forgot the get back to the question on the removal of the clutch lever setup with the NEW EXP system vs the Z start Pro....

If you go with the EXP you need the Clutch lever installed to setup up free gain - Stack spacing so it slips properly. Once this is setup, I guess you could remove it, but it's not recommended.

If you go with the Z-start Pro, you can remove the clutch lever, as the spacing is setup internally with the steel disk thicknesses.

Sorry for not saying that in my earlier post.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:12 PM   #41
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dont worry, at least I knew that (after watching the installation vids). thanks anyway!
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:54 PM   #42
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Rekulse recommends checking the free gain before every ride. Impossible to do with out the clutch lever. If it is not set right it can cause excessive slipping that you may not be able to feel ( i.e. excessive wear on the plates)
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:15 AM   #43
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So, is the EXP out and for sale yet??

If not, any work on ETA?
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:03 AM   #44
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So, is the EXP out and for sale yet??

If not, any work on ETA?
Yes,
Pre-orders have shipped from Rekluse and I should have mine Early this week. Shipping out as soon as I get them. I have a second batch coming in soon after the first to fill later requests. Product combo offers are still available on instock items if interested.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:48 PM   #45
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Got mine friday but I'm a little confused? mine only came with the slave exp ring and the extra springs? on their site they have a picture showing a new pressure plate and some extra plates? It's the same price that I paid? did I get ripped here? (its for a 950 SE)

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