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Old 02-17-2012, 04:38 PM   #1
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Selling a US bike to an Argentinean: Problem?

Hi there,
I am selling a KTM640 adv. here in Argentina. I currently have two Argentinean's interested in buying the bike. They want to buy it illegally. I have imported the bike in my name, and am wondering the consequences of not exporting the bike. I plan on returning to Argentina in the future. My main concern is will I have any problems leaving or returning to the country with out exporting the bike? A side concern is what would happen if this guy gets in trouble on my bike and it traces back to me, and they figure out that I have illegally sold the bike. Any thoughts? Thanks!
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:12 PM   #2
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It's imposible to do paperworks for locals (argentinians).
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:34 PM   #3
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Hi there,
I am selling a KTM640 adv. here in Argentina. I currently have two Argentinean's interested in buying the bike. They want to buy it illegally. I have imported the bike in my name, and am wondering the consequences of not exporting the bike. I plan on returning to Argentina in the future. My main concern is will I have any problems leaving or returning to the country with out exporting the bike? A side concern is what would happen if this guy gets in trouble on my bike and it traces back to me, and they figure out that I have illegally sold the bike. Any thoughts? Thanks!
According to my friends in Argentina there are ways to illegally purchase an imported bike and get it registered to appear legal. Not sure what they do but I gather it's quite an involved process on their side.

My own anecdotal experience is that I don't think the aduana and immigration systems are connected well enough that your passport would be linked to an un-exported bike upon your return. This is just my opinion and obviously you'll want to balance that risk with the premium you're getting for your 640.
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Old 02-18-2012, 05:18 AM   #4
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:31 PM   #5
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Why not just do your transaction in the no mans land between borders?

I agree that the customs and immigration systems don't seem too coordinated, but when I was leaving Argentina a few years ago, I got held up at customs for a couple of hours, while they tried to figure out what I had done with my bike.

Some countries that seem to be doing things on paper, without computerizing everything, are actually computerizing everything in a remote location. There might be a backlog of anywhere from a few days to a few months, but eventually, those bean-counters count everything.

I don't think it's worth it.

So what if somebody wants to buy your bike, or your stuff, or whatever. Right now we don't have to post a bond to get a bike temporarily imported to Latin America countries, but if too many people do the illegal import thing, that could change.
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Old 02-18-2012, 05:18 PM   #6
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Why not just do your transaction in the no mans land between borders?
I was going to post the same thing, but I realized that his local buyer would then have to import the bike. That's what he's trying to avoid. The local buyer wants to take possession of a bike which is in-country without a temporary import registered in his name.

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Old 02-18-2012, 05:48 PM   #7
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In Punta Arenas (Chile), chilean are able to do de paper work legaly
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:07 PM   #8
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Today in Argentina it's very dificult to import a NEW motorcycle, in fact, there are a few containers waiting in aduana with the bikes nationalized (bmw,triumph,harley etc), but the new policy of importing thing is one dollar in , one dollar out.Some years ago it was posible to import a used motorcycle, but today it's near to imposible.I have a friend who buy a buell in california and ride to argentina it took 3 years to nationalizacion. I don't know about problems to you, a brasilian leave his motorcycle in Ushuaia, and come back one year later, no problems with aduana, but remember things have change here.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:43 AM   #9
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In Punta Arenas (Chile), chilean are able to do de paper work legaly
any recommendations on advertising there besides driving around with a Se Vende sign?
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:48 AM   #10
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:34 AM   #11
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:54 PM   #12
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any recommendations on advertising there besides driving around with a Se Vende sign?
No, I live near Ushuaia and i've seen many of them going to Punta Arenas 'cause they could sell legaly their bikes.
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:33 AM   #13
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Max, One thought someone had was maybe they will fine you when you try to re-enter some day. If so hopefully less than your profit. Have caution against buyers shifting their import costs to you. You might consult a local immigration attorney?
Was great riding with you Max. I'm in Rio de Janeiro now and the Friday before Carnaval. Rode again with Noel & Paula from Chile to Salta, Argentina! :)
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:18 PM   #14
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Max: as some fellows said, there is no way to legally sell your bike in Argentina. You won't have any problems to keep it in Argentina longer than the 180 days you are allowed to, and you may even as for an extension (not that easy but feasible).

I've been living in Argentina and Chile for a while and can assure you nobody will ask if you go out of the country without your bike. However, if you plan to enter again with another vehicle the missing one will pop out!

If you want to get rid of your bike, the safest way is to go to Punta Arenas o Iquique, in Chile, and legally sold it there, I can even help you in Punta Arenas. There is another thread about that in this forum.
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:44 PM   #15
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The bike is not linked to your passport in AR. No one will say "boo" if you leave the country without the bike.
The only way the bike is tied to you is via the registration plate#, keep/destroy the plate/title when you sell it to the Argentine.
Let them do the under the table process of licensing.
The government there is in shambles and on the verge of collapse. They can hardly track their own military much less the VIN# of a tourist motorcycle.
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