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Old 03-11-2012, 07:16 PM   #1
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Motociclismo comparo of 9...

This is what the Italian magazine is doing.... comparing these 9 motos:

Benelli Tre-K
BMW R 1200 GS
Ducati Multistrada 1200
Honda Crosstourer 1200
Kawasaki Versys 1000
KTM 990 SM-T
Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200
Triumph Explorer 1200
Yamaha Supertenere 1200
I for one will keep with the updates... other posters please join and help....
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Old 03-11-2012, 07:19 PM   #2
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first day...short report (google is your friend)
http://www.motociclismo.it/motocicli...o-1-moto-51095
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Old 03-11-2012, 07:21 PM   #3
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This is what the Italian magazine is doing.... comparing these 9 motos:

Benelli Tre-K
BMW R 1200 GS
Ducati Multistrada 1200
Honda Crosstourer 1200
Kawasaki Versys 1000
KTM 990 SM-T
Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200
Triumph Explorer 1200
Yamaha Supertenere 1200
I for one will keep with the updates... other posters please join and help....
I hope they do more than a best / worst type of thing AND really test the KTM off road, rather than just assume a bunch of things.

[edit] Looks like they are..[/edit]

Great to see so much out there. The fat piggy segment has really gone ballistic.

Time for the Mid piggy to do the same I think. Time to see the 650-900 segment going ballistic

I hope someone can do a better translation than Google though. Google only manages a half translation.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:32 AM   #4
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Cool, thanks for posting the link!

Motociclismo is a very good magazine - the one where a lot of UK press pinch their "exclusives" from , I'm sure they'll do a proper comparison... added to which the Adv bike is long established in Europe.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:40 AM   #5
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Too bad Aprilia Caponord 1200 was not released soon enough to be included. But they sure do have a nice line up of bikes.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:33 PM   #6
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Cool, thanks for posting the link!

Motociclismo is a very good magazine - the one where a lot of UK press pinch their "exclusives" from , I'm sure they'll do a proper comparison... added to which the Adv bike is long established in Europe.
....considering Italy is the number ONE European market and Italian passion for motorcycles..., I am not surprised. Unfortunately here in the US, most people equate italian product with the old Fiat quality...
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:42 PM   #7
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Laugh

I'm sure they'll come to the conclusion that the Stelvio is the clear winner.

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Old 03-13-2012, 12:41 AM   #8
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I'm sure they'll come to the conclusion that the Stelvio is the clear winner.

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Wont they just give it to BMW,like normal...
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:34 AM   #9
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....considering Italy is the number ONE European market and Italian passion for motorcycles..., I am not surprised. Unfortunately here in the US, most people equate italian product with the old Fiat quality...
Absolutely - or worse, old Lancia!

How are Chrysler Ypsilon and Deltas doing over there?
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Old 03-13-2012, 04:13 AM   #10
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Hope they tested properly and not only on road like the do in this articles always.
They are trail bikes!! good ON and OFF road
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:54 AM   #11
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Absolutely - or worse, old Lancia!

How are Chrysler Ypsilon and Deltas doing over there?
Don't know, my wife and me are GM customers... I did not know that exists a Chrysler Ypsilon and Delta too...
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Hope they tested properly and not only on road like the do in this articles always.
They are trail bikes!! good ON and OFF road
tough guy you barca... :)
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:19 PM   #13
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The fat piggy segment has really gone ballistic.
A shame isn't it?

Its easier for the mfg's to build a big bike. I feel it takes much more r&d to build a competent mid size bike that is actually lighter than the 1000cc range bikes.
All these fat piggy 'adv' bikes are really just road tourers IMO - Just short of the Goldwing, Electra Glide and the big beemer K 1600 segment.

GSA wet weight 564 lbs.
Super Tenere wet weight 575 lbs.
Stelvio 552 wet.
Then add your racks, gear, etc.

Heavy bikes! The Fat Piggy pork out! (shoot out)

Sorry, not knocking the bikes, just the 'fat piggy' segment.
Love it Graham! You coined the new big adv market, aka 'fat piggy'.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:47 PM   #14
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A shame isn't it?

GSA wet weight 564 lbs.
Super Tenere wet weight 575 lbs.
Stelvio 552 wet.
Then add your racks, gear, etc.

Heavy bikes! The Fat Piggy pork out! (shoot out)

Sorry, not knocking the bikes, just the 'fat piggy' segment.
Love it Graham! You coined the new big adv market, aka 'fat piggy'.
Hey, go and measure a GSA its not that light, fully fueled. It's almost a Barge class bike.

Any way I just bought a fat piggy but, it doesn't feel fat, which is the only reason I bought it.
If YAMAHA can work there magic on a 900cc I will be even happier, it should feel like a trail bike.
That is what I am hoping for when I get old(er) and frail(er).
I don't really need that much grunt, but it does make it really amazing in the open dirt/grass paddocks.

I don't think I coined the phrase. I thought it was pretty commonly used.
There is talk of 1250 and 1300cc bikes as well, I suppose there may be an R1500GS in the future.

Anyway, I think people have to get used to the idea that bigger is not always better. I think it's like cars. The big ones are not that much more expensive to engineer and make, it's just that consumers think they are worth much more so that's where companies go first with new designs because they can amortize the costs more easily there than in the bottom end. That's all.
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:35 PM   #15
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7th day updade

http://www.motociclismo.it/motocicli...o-7-moto-51134

check pics link belo
http://www.motociclismo.it/motocicli...o-7-moto-51134
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