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Old 03-20-2012, 05:50 AM   #31
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A shame isn't it?

Its easier for the mfg's to build a big bike. I feel it takes much more r&d to build a competent mid size bike that is actually lighter than the 1000cc range bikes.
All these fat piggy 'adv' bikes are really just road tourers IMO - Just short of the Goldwing, Electra Glide and the big beemer K 1600 segment.

GSA wet weight 564 lbs.
Super Tenere wet weight 575 lbs.
Stelvio 552 wet.
Then add your racks, gear, etc.

Heavy bikes! The Fat Piggy pork out! (shoot out)

Sorry, not knocking the bikes, just the 'fat piggy' segment.
Love it Graham! You coined the new big adv market, aka 'fat piggy'.



My 2010 Goldwing is 900+lbs without rider or gear, your fat piggys are mere piglets.

I sat on a Super Tenere last week and immediately was blown away by how light it was.

But threads like this help the whale owners immensely.... Much to read about before adding a 2 up ADV ride to the stable..

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Old 03-20-2012, 06:13 AM   #32
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So,

Who won?
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:24 AM   #33
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Shame there is no 'zook in there.
I heard an interesting snippet from a mate in the trade recently. The Bandit 650 and 1250 have been discontinued. The DL650 Wee is selling like hot cakes. Makes me wonder if Suzuki will follow Kwak and Honda and go for a big tall rounder to replace both the big DL and the Bandit 1250.
If someone from Suzuki is lurking here - i'd like a BKing motor - but i'll settle for a GSXR1000 Unit..
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:26 AM   #34
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DIN Norm

Germans like to standardize. Everything must be defined and what is not is the recipient of a Norm defining its undefinable characteristics.

There is a DIN Norm (don't ask me which one, there are millions), specifying what must be considered when publishing a motorcycle's weight. It must be driveable (ie. battery, water in battery, oil, all vital fluids, air in tires, etc.) and have at least 90% of the max. fuel load on board.

Even if it sounds like I am making fun of Germans (they can take it, they have a sense of humor despite all rumors to the contrary ), I like this particular Norm because you can actually rely on figures published by the manufacturers in Germany.

Quite unlike the legendary weight figures published by the Japanese manufacturers in the 80's and 90's (haven't picked up an American motorcycle mag since then so can't comment on this century). No oil, no brake fluid, no coolant, no tool kit, no mirrors, no battery, no seat, tires stolen off a Honda Spree 50, and the gravitational force of the moon...

Oh yeah, the point of all this is that fat piggy or otherwise, a good place to get reliable, comparable information regarding which piggy out piggies the other piggies is a German mag like Motorrad Online or MO.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:55 AM   #35
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How the hell do you translate it?
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:54 AM   #36
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Wicked

if this is an indication of things to come....

http://www.moto-station.com/article1...n-danger-.html

...BMW will have its defeat.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:28 PM   #37
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if this is an indication of things to come....

http://www.moto-station.com/article1...n-danger-.html

...BMW will have its defeat.
The way I see it is we have a bunch of good bikes that will suit any particular owners preferences more closely, and hopefully not a real lemon amongst them.

The GS didn't have a standard exhaust either? Funny how often that happens.

Of course the new LC Boxer will blow them all away.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:15 AM   #38
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So,

Who won?
Must have been one of the Japs... I cannot interpret the radio silence other way.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:51 PM   #39
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So,

Who won?
...the answer will be on the April issue of MOTOCICLISMO.
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:51 AM   #40
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Shame there is no 'zook in there.
I heard an interesting snippet from a mate in the trade recently. The Bandit 650 and 1250 have been discontinued.
Both Bandits are definitely still produced for ´12, and I´d be very surprised, if they´re fully discontinued for ´13 (... unless they´ll switch to making only GSX650FA and GSX1250FA, that are in effect Bandits but with a full fairing).
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:14 PM   #41
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when do you think the April issue will come out? Not that I'd have a change to buy an Italian language bike magazine anywhere around here, plus I don't read Italian anyway. I'd really be curious to read a one sentence summary of each bike though.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:57 AM   #42
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getting closer... here a promo video...
http://www.motociclismo.it/motocicli...omo-moto-51238

and the mag cover...
http://www.motociclismo.it/e-uscito-...ile-moto-51233
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:05 PM   #43
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Their choice of the KTM SMT is very telling about what they think these bikes are used for.
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:07 PM   #44
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.... trying again...
http://www.motociclismo.it/e-uscito-...ile-moto-51233


http://www.motociclismo.it/e-uscito-...ile-moto-51233
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:30 PM   #45
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Direct quote from Ash On Bikes forum (from T1200 Explorer thread):
Motociclismo has just released their latest issue with a mega (9) Adventure bike test, including the Explorer.

Here are some of their findings for the Explorer:

rwhp = 118.23 (133.58 at the crank)
Weight, fully fueled and with some accessories but without side bags = 272.49 kg
Top speed, restricted = 215.7kmh
Consumption at 130 kmh = 13.7 - 14.0 km/l
1/4 mile = 11.923 seconds


By the way, 7 of their 9 test riders chose the GS as the overall winner. One chose the CrossTourer and another the Tenure. This test was conducted on/off road.
Any more details available?
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