Sanjohsaki the Build - Page 10

jdrocks · 03-27-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pjm204

Well hopefully mine isn't on there as tight. It is only supposed to be 92ft/lbs. we shall see. I mean at some point the front sprocket needs to come off, they certainly don't last forever.

the nut is on there with at least 300# from the factory. use an inch impact socket rather than metric for a better fit, you can easily split a regular socket with that kind of torque. the easiest way to break the nut loose is with a HD impact, or if that doesn't work, lock the sprocket with a piece of small diameter schedule 40 pipe nipple placed against a sprocket tooth and the swingarm, then use a breaker bar.

the trans should NOT be in gear.

pjm204 · 03-27-2012, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdrocks

the nut is on there with at least 300# from the factory. use an inch impact socket rather than metric for a better fit, you can easily split a regular socket with that kind of torque. the easiest way to break the nut loose is with a HD impact, or if that doesn't work, lock the sprocket with a piece of small diameter schedule 40 pipe nipple placed against a sprocket tooth and the swingarm, then use a breaker bar.

the trans should NOT be in gear.

awesome, sounds like I'm in for a treat this weekend. Maybe I'll get lucky. I don't have an impact gun at my house, so I'll either have to go to my parent's or use my 1/2" breaker bar with a cheater on it. The guidance on not being in gear is likely very valuable. I could see someone ruining their trans with those kind of forces. Luckily the trans is super easy to replace with this bike, another huge selling point for me.

Roadracer_Al · 04-27-2012, 10:49 AM

I've decided not to pursue the build on my Ninja, and it's up for grabs in the Flea Market.

Danger4u2 · 08-01-2012, 06:32 PM

Are you guys still tweeking on the Ninja's ?

sanjoh · 08-03-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danger4u2

Are you guys still tweeking on the Ninja's ?

Mostly riding! Just returned from an 1800 mile trip on the Blue Ridge.

I have added a prefilter to the airbox, the stocker couldn't handle sand n dust to my satisfaction.

ktmklx · 08-03-2012, 06:27 AM

That looks like nice riding, i might have to check the Blue Ridge out sometime.

ty.zardoz · 10-06-2012, 06:10 AM

I found this thread a couple of days ago and started reading. Only one thing to say about it... very dam COOL sanjoh! I'm a big fan of "non-stock" and bobbers and such. I'm cleaning up my CBX this winter and putting the finishing touches on my TW, extended swingarm, adding a fan for my radiator.. modding my harley fatbob tank to fit.

I expect this will all be done by spring.. so I'm going to be looking for another project. I think I'd like to build my own "Dirt Ninja"! Or perhaps some other street to dirt hybrid, really it's going to be dictated by price.. so whatever goes for cheap will likely be my victim unless there are mechanical factors that prohibit said conversion.

I'll say it again... your dirt ninja is way COOL!!!

tyz

sanjoh · 11-01-2012, 04:06 AM

Gonna do some updating on the Dirt Ninja over the winter.

Foot peg relocation - gonna need a new exhaust hanger and luggage rack lower mount as the aluminum footpeg holders are coming off

Swingarm extension - Just a few inches, any suggestions on how to do this? Was going to start with 2 swing arms and join the rear parts with a support splint on the inside made of tubing.

Exhaust reroute

Skidplate

Recently acquired a KTM 950 SE and all I can say is the Dirt Ninja is a very capable enduro

pjm204 · 11-01-2012, 05:44 AM

I regret selling mine, so I'll probably end up buying the next ninja 650 I see pop up for the right price. My buddy just bought a 950SE, after riding it I was strongly considering selling my vstrom for one, had to practice some self restraint.

yokesman · 11-01-2012, 11:11 AM

is that earley swingarm rectanglar or not, I was looking at that on another site where they extended it 1 inch, but i was thinking also 1.5-2 by fitting a thick wall rect tube inside, cutting the original at a verticle v for more weld area, fitting the original adjusters but this is all speculation on my part while i am still shopping for the bike. otherwise it looks like it is a complete refab out of rect tubing. and i may not need it for my app.

ktmklx · 11-01-2012, 05:50 PM

Sanjoh,

Using a second swing arm works pretty good, that is what I did. The correct size, thickness and alloy how can you go wrong? Just add on to the back. I only did an inch, didn't want to change the length of the bike to much. Absolutely no negatives that I can find from this mod, but a lot of positive. And you can buy them for about $15. The gussets are also from the donor swing arm, the brace sawed in half.

sanjoh · 11-02-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pjm204

I regret selling mine, so I'll probably end up buying the next ninja 650 I see pop up for the right price. My buddy just bought a 950SE, after riding it I was strongly considering selling my vstrom for one, had to practice some self restraint.

The SE is a hooligan bike defined, felt like trouble the first time I sat on it

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktmklx

Sanjoh,

Using a second swing arm works pretty good, that is what I did. The correct size, thickness and alloy how can you go wrong? Just add on to the back. I only did an inch, didn't want to change the length of the bike to much. Absolutely no negatives that I can find from this mod, but a lot of positive. And you can buy them for about $15. The gussets are also from the donor swing arm, the brace sawed in half.

Why only an inch? Any pics of the swing arm on the bike?

ktmklx · 11-03-2012, 06:52 AM

Why only an inch, I'm conservative. I was concerned about getting the wheelbase too long and affecting handling. If I remember correctly 1" of length gave me almost a 1/4" of travel. The bike still turns very good so I would not be afraid to try a little more length. If you look back in my build thread a few pages you'll see the the swing arm mods and inner fender changes. These changes really had an impact on the bike, it felt like going from a playbike to an offroad bike. Before it was pretty easy to bottom the tire into the inner fender, now I can't. I recently had a chance to ride this and my KLR back to back. I was hoping this bike would be a more powerful KLR, but what I got is a far superior bike. This rear suspension with the mods and R1 shock works really good and the KLX front is awesome.

You mentioned something about a KTM comparison with your bike, care to share more?

EnduroRdr · 11-04-2012, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktmklx

Why only an inch, I'm conservative. I was concerned about getting the wheelbase too long and affecting handling. If I remember correctly 1" of length gave me almost a 1/4" of travel. The bike still turns very good so I would not be afraid to try a little more length. If you look back in my build thread a few pages you'll see the the swing arm mods and inner fender changes. These changes really had an impact on the bike, it felt like going from a playbike to an offroad bike. Before it was pretty easy to bottom the tire into the inner fender, now I can't. I recently had a chance to ride this and my KLR back to back. I was hoping this bike would be a more powerful KLR, but what I got is a far superior bike. This rear suspension with the mods and R1 shock works really good and the KLX front is awesome.

You mentioned something about a KTM comparison with your bike, care to share more?

Nice Job! Share more links and pics -

sanjoh · 11-05-2012, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktmklx

You mentioned something about a KTM comparison with your bike, care to share more?

The SE is very planted off road, on road it is a bit sluggish turning but it will turn with the proper inputs. The ninja turns great on road, but off road is a bit more skittish. I think it has to do with the wheelbase and the weight distribution, with the ninja, the weight is rearward oriented. I think extending the ninja swingarm 3" or so would make a huge difference off road and I'm willing to live with the on road handling changes.

KTM 950SE Ninja 650r
Wheelbase:1,570 mm (61.8 inches) 1,410 mm (55.5 in)

04-27-2012, 10:49 AM	#138
Roadracer_Al louder, louder, louder! Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Oakland, CA Oddometer: 1,076	I've decided not to pursue the build on my Ninja, and it's up for grabs in the Flea Market. __________________ ------------------------------ Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow ------------------------------ New Rider Training in the San Francisco Bay Area at Motorcycle University". Learn to Ride...Better!

08-01-2012, 06:32 PM	#139
Danger4u2 KX & CR 500 Rider Joined: Mar 2007 Location: OKC Oddometer: 311	Are you guys still tweeking on the Ninja's ? __________________ Go faster than everyone. Only worry about what's in front of you. '08KX500AFC(my favorite) '07KLR650 '04KX500(street legal) '97CR500R '06KLX250(351cc kit) '08KFX450R quad

11-01-2012, 04:06 AM	#143
sanjoh ^OP Purveyor of Light Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Sandbox, FL Oddometer: 3,665	Gonna do some updating on the Dirt Ninja over the winter. Foot peg relocation - gonna need a new exhaust hanger and luggage rack lower mount as the aluminum footpeg holders are coming off Swingarm extension - Just a few inches, any suggestions on how to do this? Was going to start with 2 swing arms and join the rear parts with a support splint on the inside made of tubing. Exhaust reroute Skidplate Recently acquired a KTM 950 SE and all I can say is the Dirt Ninja is a very capable enduro __________________ Model 60 LED 3600 lumens . . LED thread in Vendors Dualsport Fairing w LED...Dirt Ninja Build...TAT 08...

11-01-2012, 05:44 AM	#144
pjm204 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Oddometer: 1,247	I regret selling mine, so I'll probably end up buying the next ninja 650 I see pop up for the right price. My buddy just bought a 950SE, after riding it I was strongly considering selling my vstrom for one, had to practice some self restraint. __________________ Current bikes:2006 DL650, 2006 Ural Past bikes: XT225, TTR125, CRF50 1974 DT125,1970 TS250,1985 v45, 1989 zx600c, 1978 GS400x, 1999 GS500E, 2001 GS500E 2005 Z750s, 1977 GS400e, 1982 GS1100ez, 1997 GSX600, 2007 VFR800, 2003 KLR650, 2003 FJR1300, 2006 DL1000, 2000 KLR650, 1999 WR360, 2008 DL650, 2005 DR650,2008 EX650r, 1996 CR500, 1982 GS450T

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08-03-2012, 06:27 AM	#141
ktmklx Studly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Oddometer: 569	That looks like nice riding, i might have to check the Blue Ridge out sometime.

10-06-2012, 06:10 AM	#142
ty.zardoz Adventurer Joined: Mar 2012 Location: Nova Scotia Oddometer: 62	I found this thread a couple of days ago and started reading. Only one thing to say about it... very dam COOL sanjoh! I'm a big fan of "non-stock" and bobbers and such. I'm cleaning up my CBX this winter and putting the finishing touches on my TW, extended swingarm, adding a fan for my radiator.. modding my harley fatbob tank to fit. I expect this will all be done by spring.. so I'm going to be looking for another project. I think I'd like to build my own "Dirt Ninja"! Or perhaps some other street to dirt hybrid, really it's going to be dictated by price.. so whatever goes for cheap will likely be my victim unless there are mechanical factors that prohibit said conversion. I'll say it again... your dirt ninja is way COOL!!! tyz

11-01-2012, 11:11 AM	#145
yokesman Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Oddometer: 196	is that earley swingarm rectanglar or not, I was looking at that on another site where they extended it 1 inch, but i was thinking also 1.5-2 by fitting a thick wall rect tube inside, cutting the original at a verticle v for more weld area, fitting the original adjusters but this is all speculation on my part while i am still shopping for the bike. otherwise it looks like it is a complete refab out of rect tubing. and i may not need it for my app.

11-01-2012, 05:50 PM	#146
ktmklx Studly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Oddometer: 569	Sanjoh, Using a second swing arm works pretty good, that is what I did. The correct size, thickness and alloy how can you go wrong? Just add on to the back. I only did an inch, didn't want to change the length of the bike to much. Absolutely no negatives that I can find from this mod, but a lot of positive. And you can buy them for about $15. The gussets are also from the donor swing arm, the brace sawed in half.

11-03-2012, 06:52 AM	#148
ktmklx Studly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Oddometer: 569	Why only an inch, I'm conservative. I was concerned about getting the wheelbase too long and affecting handling. If I remember correctly 1" of length gave me almost a 1/4" of travel. The bike still turns very good so I would not be afraid to try a little more length. If you look back in my build thread a few pages you'll see the the swing arm mods and inner fender changes. These changes really had an impact on the bike, it felt like going from a playbike to an offroad bike. Before it was pretty easy to bottom the tire into the inner fender, now I can't. I recently had a chance to ride this and my KLR back to back. I was hoping this bike would be a more powerful KLR, but what I got is a far superior bike. This rear suspension with the mods and R1 shock works really good and the KLX front is awesome. You mentioned something about a KTM comparison with your bike, care to share more?