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Old 03-27-2012, 09:09 PM   #106
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barking up a more difficult tree ,,,IMHO

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Hi Woody ... use Photobucket ..
I am ready to start the conversion to independent front brake lines ... big task ... will have to remove the whole front to gain access to the manifold ... any idea Wasp how to do it ? ... thanks

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roberto ..IMHO you are barking up the wrong tree...
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Hi Woody ... use Photobucket ..
I am ready to start the conversion to independent front brake lines ... big task ... will have to remove the whole front to gain access to the manifold ... any idea Wasp how to do it ? ... thanks



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I dont know yet Roberto.. One step at a time for me. I'll get the tire mounted first, then remove the guard and whack the wheel on and see what happens from there.

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Old 03-27-2012, 11:10 PM   #108
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21" WHEEL HAS ARRIVED DOWN-UNDER!!!! YeeeeeHawww!

Only problem is - It's "SUBSTANDARD"

Look - Woody put the "Woody's Wheel Works" sticker on at 2.5 degree rotation..
Not acceptable mate - Lift your game.............................................. ............

























NAH!!!!!



These are as fine (or finer) than any wheels I have seen. The precision fit and quality of the billet hub and spacer components is incredible.

Excellent job Woody - Gave me a Woody upon opening the package last night.

Now, some porn for your viewing pleasure.



I believe this is the Super Sized Super Laced set up - Beautiful big sturdy ass spokes.


Finally - As if I could resist not sticking it in position to see how it looks...
I could'nt get back far enough so the pic shows the 21" wheel bigger than reality.


I spoke with Steve "Wolfman" Smith from www.adventuremoto.com.au this morning and he will be sending me over a 90/90-21 Mefo Explorer to stick on there and see how it goes.

I will report as things progress.

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Old 03-28-2012, 03:52 AM   #109
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I just noticed Francesco whatsisfaces bike has Ohlins TTX forks with offset front axle. Possibley around 1 1/2" forward.
This obviously offers large gains in tire to bash plate clearance..


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Old 03-28-2012, 04:27 AM   #110
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Found some different pics of the bike above. This bastard is huge and really throws his bike around.
I am only guessing, but the front wheel would have to be 21", and a very good chance that the rear is the standard hub re-laced to an 18" Excel. Certainly not the standard rim.

Bigger version of the pic above:


I recon this rear tire is 130ish x 18


Cant make out the tire markings




This is actually valid research... I Googled "rubber + tight fit + may contact front skid plate".

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Old 03-28-2012, 08:20 AM   #111
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:55 AM   #112
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Fyi,,,

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Found some different pics of the bike above. This bastard is huge and really throws his bike around.
I am only guessing, but the front wheel would have to be 21", and a very good chance that the rear is the standard hub re-laced to an 18" Excel. Certainly not the standard rim.

Bigger version of the pic above:



Greg.
the bike /wheels/rims/hubs pictured are probably

front,,,1.6x21 36h Excel laced conventionally to a single disc KTM hub sporting a 90/90 21 tire,,,the offset axle in this position will reduce trail for quicker handling ,,,the missing link of course is what offset do his triple clamps have..which in turn factors into the actual trail of the bike all keeping everrything standard ie oem forks,triple-clamps and just increasing the wheel diameter ,raising the bike and moving the centerlin eof your front end forward= more trail,steadier albeit a touch slower handling,,most folks like this in the dirt

rear is a double sig excel for sure hard to say if it's a2.5x18 or 2.15x19 the tire looks skinnier ,,anyway ,,it laced to a stock hub sporting a wavy/floating 300mm rotor and 2 piston Brembo caliper

unfortunately the photos aren't as crisp as Wasp-mans

now regarding the '' substandard'' work below

[''Only problem is - It's "SUBSTANDARD"

Look - Woody put the "Woody's Wheel Works" sticker on at 2.5 degree rotation..
Not acceptable mate - Lift your game............................................Gr eg''][QUOTE]

FYI,,,he no longer works for us,,unacceptable positioning of wheel works logo = grounds for termination IMHO
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:26 AM   #113
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[QUOTE=woody's wheel works;18323716]

now regarding the '' substandard'' work below

[''Only problem is - It's "SUBSTANDARD"

Look - Woody put the "Woody's Wheel Works" sticker on at 2.5 degree rotation..
Not acceptable mate - Lift your game............................................Gr eg'']
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FYI,,,he no longer works for us,,unacceptable positioning of wheel works logo = grounds for termination IMHO
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TO BLOODY RIGHT MATE - Damn slackers... That'll learn im..............................

Talk soon.

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Old 03-29-2012, 06:10 AM   #114
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Couldn't help myself - Had to stick the 21" on...

So here's the deal. I thought I would have no problem leaving the newly acquired 21" wheel sitting up in the shed patiently waiting for me to get around to playing with it over the next few days....
Wrong....

I got up just after the crack of nine this morning convincing myself that I need to find a 90/90-21 tire to stick this sucker on the bike and see how it fits up.

It happen that a mate up the road (KTM Adv rider) had a one third to half worn Bridgestone 90/90-21 Trail Wing 41 tire, complete with appropriate tube. YeeeHawww. 30 minutes later the tire was spooned on and pumped up ready for install.

First things first - I weighed Woody's complete 21" wheel assembly which with spacers + disc's + tire and tube and it come in at 11kg.
I whipped the OEM wheel of the bike and zip tied the R/H spacer and ABS cover onto it, and weigh in at 14kg...
BONUS........ 3kg of "un-sprung mass" lighter = Ya gotta be happy with that
You can bank on saving another 1kg+ with the single disc wheel set up.

So - I fitted the new 21" wheel assembly up, and thought, hmm, that front mudguard looks like it might just fit back on.. Be good if it does because I can go for a ride and try the new wheel without the need to worry about brake lines catching the tire.....
BONUS again...... The OEM guard clears with about 3>5mm gap.
On goes the mudguard, brake lines securely clipped back in place, and front ABS sensor zip tied out of the way.

This is how it all looks this afternoon.









A couple more dimensions:
The original tire clearance to the (top bend line) bash plate is 81mm
The clearance now with the 90/90-21 tire (half worn) is 66mm

The 110/80-19 Karoo2(T) mounted and inflated is 665mm diameter.
The 90/90-21 TrailWing (1/3rd to 1/2 worn) mounted and inflated is 696mm diameter.


Wheel change over completed it's time to roll the bike out to open ground and try and compress the forks to see how much tire to bash plate clearance we have.

I had my son (6' x 100kg) roll the bike down the driveway, weight the front wheel, and slam the front brakes on to load the forks as much as possible, and we ended up using all but the last 32mm (1 1/4") of travel.
This was good enough for me as the last bit of travel would place the tire on about the same (or reducing) trajectory and would not get any closer to the bash plate.
That said, it is damn close now and would absolutely hit with a new tire.


Unfortunately the last pic is the one that I really wanted as clear as possible. As Murphy's Law would have it this turns out to be the shitty one.
You get the message though and can see that there is only a whisker in it.


Next step is to remove the SW-Motech bash plate and just go with the OEM plastic component for a while. Use of this wheel may mean that I have to modify the SWM plate or possibly even look at manufacturing something myself.

I will ride the bike around as is for a period while I re-visit the design of the high front guard and sus out exactly what I will do with the dual brake lines.

If only we had the 18" rear rim here Woody....
I would be able to stick a 130(ish)/18 tire on the back and see how this baby can really perform off-road...


Hope you enjoyed the read and the pics - Keep watching coz there's a lot more to come.

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Old 03-29-2012, 08:30 AM   #115
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On our way back to Chicago from Moab, some friends and I stopped by Woody's to pick up my 800GS wheels. It was after closing time and he stayed open for us. He very generously took us for a tour and told us some funny stories. If I repeated the stories I would be banned from this site. My friends all thanked me for leading them to Woody's. Paul
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:32 AM   #116
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AWE n then SOME Wasp-'m-man!!!! ok,,now the fine tuning

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So here's the deal. I thought I would have no problem leaving the newly acquired 21" wheel sitting up in the shed patiently waiting for me to get around to playing with it over the next few days....
Wrong....
,,,,First things first - I weighed Woody's complete 21" wheel assembly which with spacers + disc's + tire and tube and it come in at 11kg.
I whipped the OEM wheel of the bike and zip tied the R/H spacer and ABS cover onto it, and weigh in at 14kg...
BONUS........ 3kg/6.6lbs of "un-sprung mass" lighter = Ya gotta be happy with that
You can bank on saving another 1kg+ with the single disc wheel set up.

So - I fitted the new 21" wheel assembly up, and thought, hmm, that front mudguard looks like it might just fit back on.. Be good if it does because I can go for a ride and try the new wheel without the need to worry about brake lines catching the tire.....
BONUS again...... The OEM guard clears with about 3>5mm gap.this un-fortunately will be gobbled up with a new knobby

if ya stay in the dry,,,,,,,i'd just modify the existing fender assy and caise it a cm,,via redrilling some of the holes and adding an extender plate on the rear ones,,,,for regular water /wet stuff/normal wet dirt
a genuine high fender ala Thagua's 'may help a lil,,HOWEVER,,,where ya have the gumbo we have here and i'm sure you all have somewhere,,then nothing will help


....This is how it all looks this afternoon.



A couple more dimensions:
The original tire clearance to the (top bend line) bash plate is 81mm
The clearance now with the 90/90-21 tire (half worn) is 66mm

The 110/80-19 Karoo2(T) mounted and inflated is 665mm diameter.
The 90/90-21 TrailWing (1/3rd to 1/2 worn) mounted and inflated is 696mm diameter.


Wheel change over completed it's time to roll the bike out to open ground and try and compress the forks to see how much tire to bash plate clearance we have.

I had my son (6' x 100kg) roll the bike down the driveway, weight the front wheel, and slam the front brakes on to load the forks as much as possible, and we ended up using all but the last 32mm (1 1/4") of travel.
This was good enough for me as the last bit of travel would place the tire on about the same (or reducing) trajectory and would not get any closer to the bash plate.
That said, it is damn close now and would absolutely hit with a new tire.
here's the extended view...

,,,and here's the compressed view:


Next step is to remove the SW-Motech bash plate and just go with the OEM plastic component for a while. Use of this wheel mayWILL mean that I have to modify the SWM plate or possibly even look at manufacturing something myself.IMHO,,,before i took it off,,i'd try getting a reading of just where it's hitting... i bet if you place if you place the front edge of your bashplate in a press ,,or your opened vise you'd be able to push/bash it back far enough to clear the tire and still not touch the oil filter

I will ride the bike around as is for a period while I re-visit the design of the high front guard and sus out exactly what I will do with the dual brake lines.

If only we had the 18" rear rim here Woody....

,,,well Wasp-man,,ya snooze ya lose,,,Thaqua jumped right in and will get the first oem hubed 21/18 and obe01 snagged the second set ,,more are on their way circa another 3 weeks


I would be able to stick a 130(ish)/18 tire on the back and see how this baby can really perform off-road...


Hope you enjoyed the read and the pics - Keep watching coz there's a lot more to come.ya betta believe that,,we've only just begun,,,,i kinda like Thagua's front fender ,,do we have to re-invent it,,,however i am curious of what you have up your sleeve...

price/availability of extended brake line from Galfer will be posted ASAP,,,
hey Thagua ,,,did ya include an extra 25mm in that 850mm spec ya sent me????

Greg.
later,,,
we're on the roll
nuthin like team-work..and i love the international and galactic variety
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PS,,Zach just told me that we have 32h dimpled silver excels available un-drilled ,,,hence can drill em for the ST hub,,,they'll need to be stripped and re-anodized whatever color[adds $75 for satin $100 for polished/candy apple look/finish],,the only rims in black in that size are for some hondas ,,trouble is the hole angles/indexing are too wide for modification
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:44 PM   #117
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Woody ... my measurement was from left to right banjos on both calipers as seen on picture ... didn`t include additional 25 mm on the final 850 mm which goes over the fender right on the back of the support ...



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Woody ... my measurement was from left to right banjos on both calipers as seen on picture ... didn`t include additional 25 mm on the final 850 mm which goes over the fender right on the back of the support ...

so 850+25[for a lil slack= 875mm total,,,eye to eye

thanks Thagua
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muchas gratias Roberto,,
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Hi Woody .. this snapshots of my high fender support may help anyone wishing to do this mod ... it is made in fiberglass but now is going to be converted to a 12 mm aluminum support ... will post photos after the conversion







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Thagua's 21/18 Superlaced /Monzter spoked on oem hubs,,,

sneak preview: there ya have it,, just need truing and sensor plates installed...

just weighed em:

Front: 12.2lbs/ 5.2Kg
Rear: 12.5lbs/ 5.7Kg

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