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Old 03-31-2012, 06:50 PM   #31
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Now those are some good photos. And I have started to read your text. As I thought, good writing, and good reporting.


I think the choke is just getting pushed in.

Heading for the "Hunger Games" soon......


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Old 04-01-2012, 08:35 AM   #32
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Looks like the Gunns are taking you into some pretty "dangerous" areas

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Old 04-01-2012, 09:57 AM   #33
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Creel

Hey, stayed at that same hotel in Creel in Febuary, same room too!



Not great, but not bad for $300p per night.

Did you happen to see any of these around? Tagged our room and a few other places.



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Old 04-01-2012, 02:54 PM   #34
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Here an Airstrip, There an Airstrip, Everywhere an Airstrip, old McDonald had a farm

Got curious about all the airstrips I saw today and checked it out on Google maps. This is what I came up with. I know I saw a couple new ones that didn't appear on Google and I probably missed a few. Some of these are only 3 or 4 miles apart.


airstrip Sahuaripa by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Santo Tomas by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Bamori by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Arivechi by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Tacupeto by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


private airstrip by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Guisamopa by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Yecora by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip Maycoba by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


Airstrip Middle of Nowhere by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


airstrip San Juanito by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


Construction of creel airport kicks off this month
Mexico's Communications and Transport Ministry (SCT) will invest 312 million pesos in the construction of the Barrancas del Cobre airport in Creel, Chihuahua, starting this month.

The project will seek to attract 613,000 tourists per year, or about 1 billion pesos, develop hotel infrastructure and create 4,000 jobs.

During the first three years of operation, the airport will only allow landing of small aircrafts of up to 70 passangers each, connecting with cities like Hermosillo, Culiacan, San Jose del Cabo, La Paz, Durango, Torreon, Chihuahua, Ciudad Juarez, Monterrey, Nogales, Tucson and El Paso.

Starting the fifth year of operation, the Creel airport will be able to welcome flights from Guadalajara, Mexico City, Los Angeles and Phoenix.

The new terminal will give economic support to the Tarahumara region, where the Chihuahua government is launching a touristic project that will link to the rail system connecting Chihuahua with the Sea of Cortez.


airstrip Creel underconstruction by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Funny thing is, I didn't see one airplane the whole time. I wonder how many of these show up on the aviation maps?
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:59 PM   #35
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Day of Rest

Day Off in Creel, 10 miles.
Google map for Todays ride.

Quiet Sunday morning in Creel.





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Today was a leisurely day spent doing errands and maintenance. Burt and Mike were going to have the tire guy mount the new knobbies, but he was closed so they did it the old fashioned way.

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Remember, you are responsible for safety, do not touch!

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Brad and I hit the internet cafe near the train depot. Through a series of grunts, groans, and a few spanish words thrown in for good measure we got online and a coffee. The girl showed us two paper coffee cups and asked which one we wanted, they were the same size, just different decoration on them. We both picked the same one and it turned out to be some kind of flavored coffee drink, Creel’s version of Starbucks. It was actually pretty good. Caught up on email, purged a lot of junk mail and headed back to hotel. Mike was finishing up his tire and then we took off on a little local ride to Lake Arareco, Valley of the Mushrooms (Valle de los Hongo), and the old mission in San Ignacio de lo Yola. Seems like wherever you stop kids just kind of start appearing, even out in the middle of nowhere. A large group of young Tarahumara girls approached us at the lake selling their baskets and bracelets. Mike had a handful of coins and systematically handed them out so that it was fair for all of them.

Elephant Rock, see the kids appearing out of the forest?

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They were having Mass at the church so we didn’t look inside.


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My bike was running crappy the whole time. Wouldn’t idle, would bog down if not at highway speed, puking fuel problem was getting worse. Decided I better pull the carbs and take a look. The o-rings that hold the float carrier were not completely seated so I slathered them with Brylcreem (contains mineral oil, I think I will keep some in my tool kit!) and they slid right into place. The o-rings holding the needle seat in-place were the real culprits and there was nothing I could do for them. It is Sunday and none of the parts stores are open and if they were, not sure they would have the correct o-ring. Put it all back together and figure I will just deal with it.

Burt told us about leaving $400 at some restaurant or hotel a few years ago somewhere in Mexico. The next time he was in the area he stopped by not expecting to have anybody remember about it (it was 3 years after he had left the money). Well the guy disappeared for a minute and handed the money over to Burt, he’d been waiting for him to return! You think that would happen here at a Motel 6? Mike is in high hopes because he lost a cell phone the year before at El Tanque, a small town we will pass through later.

Tomorrow we descend into the depths of the Canyon. Destination Batopilas.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:56 AM   #36
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Thanks for the report and pics. Looks like a great trip in the making.
Copper canyon has always been on my short list of dream rides.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:06 AM   #37
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Burt told us about leaving $400 at some restaurant or hotel a few years ago somewhere in Mexico. The next time he was in the area he stopped by not expecting to have anybody remember about it (it was 3 years after he had left the money). Well the guy disappeared for a minute and handed the money over to Burt, he’d been waiting for him to return! You think that would happen here at a Motel 6? Mike is in high hopes because he lost a cell phone the year before at El Tanque, a small town we will pass through later.

Tomorrow we descend into the depths of the Canyon. Destination Batopilas. [/QUOTE]


Motel 6? I don't think this would happen anywhere! Just goes to show the sincerity and honesty of most of the people and culture . Such a Shame about the rep they get from the media.

I am enjoying the hell out of your report and the pics are wonderful. Hopefully I will see for myself soon.

Thanks for the time and eagerly awaiting the next installment.

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Old 04-02-2012, 09:31 AM   #38
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Motel 6? I don't think this would happen anywhere! Just goes to show the sincerity and honesty of most of the people and culture . Such a Shame about the rep they get from the media.

I am enjoying the hell out of your report and the pics are wonderful. Hopefully I will see for myself soon.

Thanks for the time and eagerly awaiting the next installment.

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Thanks for the report and pics. Looks like a great trip in the making.
Copper canyon has always been on my short list of dream rides.
Your welcome! I spent a lot of time 'thinking' about the trip. Finally just said 'do it', Glad I did!....
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:47 PM   #39
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Insurance?

Great report. been following from the beginning.

You stated in the beginning of the report that you bought insurance on your drivers license and Medivac insurance.

Can you elaborate on what you bought and from whom? I am making a similar trip.
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We're Going Down....

Stage 4 Creel to Batopilas, 86 miles, 5.5 hours.
Google Map. If you zoom in you can really see some twisties as we get closer to Batopilas.





Some cruising music to listen to while you check out todays update



Road leaving Creel is pretty new asphalt. Actually the road all the way to maybe 20 miles outside of Batopilas is paved. Then we hit the construction area. A little bypass to the old road, not very good. Loose pockets of gravel and rocks, not so bad but I did have my first get-off here. Double track area and I chose the track closest to the hillside, the other track was kind of close to a big drop off. Big drop off meaning something you could easily base jump off of. The hillside track was in worse condition and I hit a bunch of loose gravel. Brad was there pretty quick and we got her stood up again. Cleared the carbs and continued down. Its like we are descending into a different era or time. Civilization is melting away. Anytime we pass a small village or group of kids everybody waves and smiles. We have some sort of celebrity status down here. I also imagine that we are being eyeballed by the local lookouts just to make sure we don’t wander into areas they prefer we not see. Seems like word is passed down the canyon that there is a group of motos on the road, just some crazy gringos.

Here some of the scenery.


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Freshly oiled

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One of the typical road hazards

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Resturant, but it was closed. Had a picture of a marijuana leaf painted on the wall next to the front door, must have been for buena suerte (good luck).

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Could this be our breakfast? Lots of goat on the menu here.

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Familiar bridge to all that have been down here

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A rest stop at a small kiosko in the middle of nowhere. Actually, everything is in the middle of nowhere from here on.

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Mike enjoying a cold one with his new BFF. The dude didn’t move the whole time we were there but we knew he was alive because you could hear him weezing. If he could have talked he probably would have told us about his days with Pancho Villa and how he got his hand shot off in some far off battle.

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Entering Juanita’s Hotel in Batopilas, courtyard parking is available

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View from the terrace. The black pipe up in the air is the water supply pumped from the river with a sump pump. The pump is placed where the people bath and wash their clothes. Also saw some cows using the river as a toilet. Water level very low.

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Laundry Day. Mike and I pay Juanita to do our laundry. I think it is like $3. Worth it!

IMGP1028 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr
(Juanita has an actual washing machine)

Bath day for others

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IMGP1032 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Burt knows where every beer vendor is and the most direct route to get there in this part of Mexico.

IMGP1033 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr


Got to have Fanta in Mexico, sugar, not corn syrup.

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We found the internet cafe. About six people using computers, mostly kids, and us. Brad and I want to check our mail and I wanted to see if the SPOT track was working. I think I brought the system to its knees when I clicked on SPOT. You see, I think all the computers were using one dialup 2400 baud modem! I got out of SPOT and went to gmail, waited a few minutes to read one or two emails and then cut my losses and got out of there. I think we are spoiled with all our cable and DSL, but I imagine this is a real link to the outside world for these kids.

IMGP1041 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

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The swinging pedestrian bridge

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We watched a guy push a propane tank across on a dolly (to the far side), hoist the tank over his shoulder and hike UP the hill with it! Very impressive seeing as how these tanks weigh about 70 pounds and hold 100 pounds of propane when full (170 pounds!) Don’t think he would be carrying an empty tank!

See, I told you, cow poo + water = well, just don’t drink the water, remember your safety responsibilies.

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Here’s the phone number if you want to call Juanita

IMGP1052 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Some BONUS pictures by the other guys...

lots of elevation changes by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

beer,pop stop by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

great view from these roads by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

You really don't want to miss a corner on this road! I suppose you would have enough time to confess most if not all of your sins on the way down:

yeah we were down there by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

dinner ordered by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

a little local art by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

BG going down hill by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Hope that's not too many photos. Figure its better to have more than less, and when I read reports I like looking at the pictures.
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Great report. been following from the beginning.

You stated in the beginning of the report that you bought insurance on your drivers license and Medivac insurance.

Can you elaborate on what you bought and from whom? I am making a similar trip.

This is the company I used for liability insurance:

ADA VIS Global Enterprises, Inc.
P.O. Box 744
Temecula, CA 92593
800-909-4457

From what I understand you can get insurance for yourself (Drivers License) and operate any vehicle in Mexico or you can insure your bike, but your restricted to driving that one vehicle. Not sure about collision insurance, I didn't get it. Cost was $83 for one year.

For Medivac I used:

http://www.geosalliance.com/medivac-tsandcs.html

I used this discount code "EOY2011MV" for an additional $20 off. I think I paid $89, I think it has now gone up to $109 for a year. It is the same company I have Search and Rescue coverage through ($12/year).

http://www.geosalliance.com/sar/index.html

You can buy short term policies for either one, but for the small extra amount I got a year (in case I go back ).
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Burt knows where every beer vendor is and the most direct route to get there in this part of Mexico.


As far as beer language goes, he is fluent in all 31 states of Mexico
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Hey, stayed at that same hotel in Creel in Febuary, same room too!

Did you happen to see any of these around? Tagged our room and a few other places.



Continuting to enjoy your report!
Didn't see any of your stickers. I might have to go back and take a look.
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Stage 5, Batopilas to Urique

57 miles, 9.5 hours.

No Google map, roads don't show up.
We're OFF the grid.

We leave Juanita’s the way we came.

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Here’s a shot of the size propane tank the guy carried up the hill!

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Our first stop of the day will be Mission Satevo

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The only person there is this young lady (17) holding out a laminated print out talking about how she has epilepsy and needs money for medication. Is it true, I am not sure, but she is charming and out doing her thing. Oh, and she has a handshake that will crackle the bones in your hand! Well, when I got some time I researched this and it is true. Another thread on advrider talks about her and that a family is trying to get her a Visa to Canada to live and get treatment, long process. Wonder if she knows how much is written about her on the internet? Found lots of ride reports, mountain bike sites, backpacking sites all mention her.


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The mission is closed, apparently the money dried up funding the rehab. Get some photos, backtrack into town, have some breakfast at Carolina’s, gas up, and head UP and OVER to Urique.


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Stuck the camera through a hole in the door....

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Get some photos, backtrack into town, have some breakfast at Carolina’s, gas up, and head UP and OVER to Urique. Mike relayed to us that he had watched some clandestine truck activety late at night, couple trucks moving a load of “hay” bales down the river road. Not sure why he didn’t get any pictures???


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Saw these water wheel mills down in the river and didn’t know what it was, turns out they are used to grind ore and get at the gold. Small claim holder operations.

Gold_Ore_Crusher_1 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

These roads never look as steep in the photos as they really are. We are climbing at a pretty good rate here.

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For some odd reason this music video just seemed appropriate. Only 260 views on youtube for this video, come on advriders, lets hit it!



Not only steep, but rutted, steps, loose rock, sharp hairpin switchbacks, steep camber, not to mention a cliff on one side! This is where I start getting challenged. Now I am dealing with a finger I can’t use on my clutch hand, the need to keep rpm between 4000-5000 to keep engine from flooding, in first gear picking my line while slipping clutch constantly, can only tippy toe the ground on a level surface, and less experience the the other guys. No problem though, this is fun!

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Brad got a workout helping lift the pig four times on this stretch alone, thanks Brad.

Once you get up the wall of the canyon things level out and the road is pretty nice. Brad and I found Burt and Mike resting in the pine forest so we joined them. I finished off my second (and last) liter of water and we’re only a third of the way! Good thing it was overcast and mild temperature.

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Well, once you cross the mesa, you get to descend down the face of another canyon to Urique.

IMGP1091 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

IMGP1092 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

What the whaat? Really? This is not proper descent route. It was nice of the farmer to put a brush fence there, came in handy. A little 15 foot drop on the other side of it. Of course a quarter of a mile either side of this location I wouldn’t be doing this ride report.

IMGP1093 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr
Not sure what happened, loss of concentration I think, easy area and I was probably checking out the view and caught a big rock, the size of a head. I was actually travelly left to right, bike turned 180 degrees from direction of travel and 3 to 4 feet down off the road. Good old Brad to the rescue. First thing he says is “How'd that happen?”. We tugged and pulled and dug a little, but got it back on the road. I was in granny gear after this. Brad probably didn’t know it was possible for someone to ride so slow!

I think the big rock behind back wheel had something to do with this.

IMGP1094 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Aha, destination is in site, and I am getting thirsty!

IMGP1097 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Its tempting, but I’m not drinking any of this!

IMGP1098 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

As the guys are donning their tennis shoes I’m thinking, put tennis shoes in for next trip.

IMGP1102 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr
Luckily pretty dry, just under my knee and just over the top of my boots. This is my biggest, longest, deepest water crossing to date. River bottom was rocks from baseball to soccer ball size with a few bigger ones thrown in just to screw with you. The boys helped me get across and all is well. A small group of kids watched, probably waiting for one of us to do the submarine manouver, but it didn't happen.


IMGP1100 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Obligatory stop at edge of town

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Now when we were in Creel we saw signs for this Ultramarathon in Urique which would occur a day or two ahead of us. Not too many beds in this town. We’re hoping all the marathoners will be gone and they are. This is a big event, 500 runners this year plus all the support team, friends, tourists. I guess people were sleeping everywhere, down along the river, where ever they could find a spot. Winner was same guy as last year, a Tarahumara, ran 80 kilimeters (50 miles) in 6 hours 40 minutes. Thats faster than we did on the bikes! Winner gets 35,000 pesos (thats like the mega lottery down there, I think about $3000). Everyone that finishes gets 500 pounds of corn. Can you imagine running 50 miles and then having to lug 500 pounds of corn home??!! And think of the Americans and how much the airline will charge for being over the weight limit!

IMGP1112 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Here is a little history on a previous ultramarathon. Just google if you want to learn more about it.




[edit] Here is this years winnings: The winner was the young Miguel Lara with a new course record of 7:04! Second place was a high country Raramuri from way on the other side of the Sierra in a place called Tataguichi, in the county of Guachochi. And third was a 23 year old up and comer, Florencio Quimare, from Batopilas canyon. Like in the U.S.A; the young'ens are running strong! The winner won $3,000 dollars cash and a ton [literally!] of corn. Second place earned over $2,000 and third $1,500. The top 5 also all won a ton of corn. The second 5, places 6-10 all won about $250 dollars and 1/2 ton of corn. ALL finishers won 500 pounds of corn. The corn prizes were in vouchers at the value of the corn to purchase whatever food items are desired or needed.

Also, this sad news. LINK
[end edit]


A little goat and cactus after a hard day is nothin but good!

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IMGP1115 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

State of the art well and pump

IMGP1118 by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Rooms have TV, but the cable was cut and routed to the new hotel, oh well, I don’t really care what's going on in the world. Proprietor turned on the hot water heater and a nice hot shower was had. Falling asleep so early every nite I usually get up at 3 and go outside and check things out. Lots of stars down here, no light pollution.

Here is the profile for today, Batopilas on the left, Urique on the right. Kind of steep going up and down the canyon walls!

Profile Batopilas to Urique by DDMcGinnis, on Flickr

Tomorrow we plan to make it to Chinipas, the third canyon we will visit.
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Now I am dealing with a finger I can’t use on my clutch hand, the need to keep rpm between 4000-5000 to keep engine from flooding, in first gear picking my line while slipping clutch constantly, can only tippy toe the ground on a level surface, and less experience the the other guys. No problem though, this is fun!.


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Doug never got flustered, and stayed frosty through the technical sections. I have a hunch he might do it again.
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