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Old 04-30-2011, 07:02 PM   #31
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:35 PM   #32
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Yesterdays ride consisted of miles of sugar sand jeep trails the gs performed great even at low speeds ( under 15 mph) through the sand no plowing at speeds up to 50 + no problems tracks straight .thanks woody's
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Old 05-01-2011, 03:54 PM   #33
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I've been watching your Black Water thread and was going to ask how your felt about the deeper sugar sand. I ride it, but sometimes it terrifies me when riding through long stretches at higher speeds when I start to lose speed then control.

I might have to give the 21 a try.
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Old 05-01-2011, 04:31 PM   #34
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I've been watching your Black Water thread and was going to ask how your felt about the deeper sugar sand. I ride it, but sometimes it terrifies me when riding through long stretches at higher speeds when I start to lose speed then control.

I might have to give the 21 a try.
the sand is easy , it used to be alittle wiggly with the 19 but with the 21 i can go slow or fast ... walking speed in sec or 50 plus ... truelly no problem . I have had dr. drz's. klr 's and orange bikes chase me through the forest it does good , well worth the money if you ride offroad like me .. all the time . most of the guys in the p-cola thread . barny, inept , mug, can tell you how it handles ,or lets plan a ride ...
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:40 AM   #35
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the 21 inch conversion truelly makes the gs a grande dirt bike
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:03 AM   #36
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and some more advice,,,,,bz et al....

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the 21 inch conversion truelly makes the gs a grande dirt bike
looks like some fun stuff,,,

FYI,,,the other day i added this piece of advice in my vendor thread called ':Ask woody about your wheels''...

it addresses the next plateau for enhancing the stability of your big bike,,,it also has a link to a solid thread about steering stabilizers,,,although it appears that it's a love fest for the Scott's user ,,2 years ago their was another steering stabilizer thread that started off with someones Oh Wow reaction to installing the more modestly priced and simpler Hyper-Pro unit,,,,which begat a commentary on many of the others....

anyway here's the link to my commentary...
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:11 AM   #37
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:32 AM   #38
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looks like some fun stuff,,,

FYI,,,the other day i added this piece of advice in my vendor thread called ':Ask woody about your wheels''...

it addresses the next plateau for enhancing the stability of your big bike,,,it also has a link to a solid thread about steering stabilizers,,,although it appears that it's a love fest for the Scott's user ,,2 years ago their was another steering stabilizer thread that started off with someones Oh Wow reaction to installing the more modestly priced and simpler Hyper-Pro unit,,,,which begat a commentary on many of the others....

anyway here's the link to my commentary...
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onward and over the sand dunes
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As for the stabilizer with telalever I have never seen the point , with the 21 I can ride through sand at a snails pace or 4th gear 60 mph pulls. the only other mod I have done is adv shocks for the extra travel even on jumps no more bottoming . checkout black water photos in the flatistan sitethanks woody..... I need a helmet cam......but then the wife would ground me..lol
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:19 PM   #39
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First major ride on the new 21" front

I had posted about this 21" front in some other threads and tried to find them but this one came up and I think the thread title matched the subject better anyways...

I just wanted to give a report about my new 21" wheel after a trip to Death Valley let me try it out for the first time. I got these as an extra set of wheels so I'll put my Tourances back on my stock spoked wheels for street use. The specs on these (from Woody's Wheel Works):

Supersize Superlace & True


Seal Bike Wheel rear can go TUBELESS

Rim Excel 1.60x21 A60 with rimloks WITH ROTORS AND ABS RING INCLUDED


Rim Excel 3.50x17 Black

SS Spokes & Nipples


Superlite Hub Brake Adapter


Superlite Hub Front Dual Billet custom


Superlite Hub Rear billet..super tasty...

TKC80 90/90-21


TKC80 150/70-17

I was asked if I felt I was giving anything up on the street. I don't really ride the bike in the corners like a lot of others do so it's hard for me to say what I've given up. I still hit the corners at a good clip but wouldn't really get that aggressive. I still have the other set so I can put those back on for street use anytime I want.

As far as offroad performance goes, I've noticed a big difference. I was going through sand a LOT easier, as well as over rocks and larger obstacles.

These wheels are also a LOT stronger, so they'll take more abuse.

Even though the wheel still works with the fender, I took it off because I heard that because the clearance is so much less that even a small bit of mud can bring you to a standstill. I wish there was a better fender solution out there for the 21" front. Wunderlich has one but you have to buy this new $800 fork clamp set and that seemed like a total waste. Touratech has a "rally" front fender that is supposed to have more clearance but don't know if it's meant for the 21" wheel. I doubt that it is. There isn't a whole lot of mud out here in SoCal anyways, so it hasn't been an issue in the 13 months I've been riding this bike.

Without a fender, I have to deal with more crap hitting the headers and the engine, as well as water and mud splashing up through the forks and handlebars into my face. I even had a small rock fly up and hit me in the face shield. If you have an upgraded skid plate like the BDCW one, that should help a lot. I've seen the header guards out there too.

I am also now running a tube up front so that means I have to have my front wheel removal tool, extra tubes, tire irons, etc... in case I get a flat. With tubeless, all I needed was a plug kit. But so far no flat, so that's cool. I'm doing a Baja ride and will put a bit of slime in it just for good measure.

So in a nutshell I'm really pleased with the new wheel set. 21" does make a big difference and meant I could do more and enjoy what I did a lot more. I wish I had a fender and now have to hassle with tubes, but I'm largely happy with it.

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Old 04-04-2012, 04:26 PM   #40
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I had posted about this 21" front in some other threads and tried to find them but this one came up and I think the thread title matched the subject better anyways...

I just wanted to give a report about my new 21" wheel after a trip to Death Valley let me try it out for the first time. I got these as an extra set of wheels so I'll put my Tourances back on my stock spoked wheels for street use. The specs on these (from Woody's Wheel Works):

Supersize Superlace & True


Seal Bike Wheel rear can go TUBELESS

Rim Excel 1.60x21 A60 with rimloks WITH ROTORS AND ABS RING INCLUDED


Rim Excel 3.50x17 Black

SS Spokes & Nipples


Superlite Hub Brake Adapter


Superlite Hub Front Dual Billet custom


Superlite Hub Rear billet..super tasty...

TKC80 90/90-21


TKC80 150/70-17

I was asked if I felt I was giving anything up on the street. I don't really ride the bike in the corners like a lot of others do so it's hard for me to say what I've given up. I still hit the corners at a good clip but wouldn't really get that aggressive. I still have the other set so I can put those back on for street use anytime I want.

As far as offroad performance goes, I've noticed a big difference. I was going through sand a LOT easier, as well as over rocks and larger obstacles.

These wheels are also a LOT stronger, so they'll take more abuse.

Even though the wheel still works with the fender, I took it off because I heard that because the clearance is so much less that even a small bit of mud can bring you to a standstill. I wish there was a better fender solution out there for the 21" front. Wunderlich has one but you have to buy this new $800 fork clamp set and that seemed like a total waste. Touratech has a "rally" front fender that is supposed to have more clearance but don't know if it's meant for the 21" wheel. I doubt that it is. There isn't a whole lot of mud out here in SoCal anyways, so it hasn't been an issue in the 13 months I've been riding this bike.

Without a fender, I have to deal with more crap hitting the headers and the engine, as well as water and mud splashing up through the forks and handlebars into my face. I even had a small rock fly up and hit me in the face shield. If you have an upgraded skid plate like the BDCW one, that should help a lot. I've seen the header guards out there too.

I am also now running a tube up front so that means I have to have my front wheel removal tool, extra tubes, tire irons, etc... in case I get a flat. With tubeless, all I needed was a plug kit. But so far no flat, so that's cool. I'm doing a Baja ride and will put a bit of slime in it just for good measure.

So in a nutshell I'm really pleased with the new wheel set. 21" does make a big difference and meant I could do more and enjoy what I did a lot more. I wish I had a fender and now have to hassle with tubes, but I'm largely happy with it.

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Why not keep tubeless wheels? Can you still use center stand? Seat height change?

Great information and thanks!
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Fudgypup,

Why not keep tubeless wheels? Can you still use center stand? Seat height change?

Great information and thanks!

Your black font is hard to read against a gray background!

I would LOVE to stay tubeless but the front wheel can't really be sealed properly. Woody can do it but won't warranty it. Eventually one of the spoke ends would push through a bit and compromise the seal. There is a way to go tubeless 21" up front but you need the HP2 wheel to do it and that get really expensive Those spokes are externally laced, hence tubeless.

I can still use the center and side stand, no problem. The seat migth be slightly higher but I'm 6'4" so I dont' really notice. If I had gone 18" in the back, then yes I'm sure I'd notice the seat being higher.
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Your black font is hard to read against a gray background!

I would LOVE to stay tubeless but the front wheel can't really be sealed properly. Woody can do it but won't warranty it. Eventually one of the spoke ends would push through a bit and compromise the seal. There is a way to go tubeless 21" up front but you need the HP2 wheel to do it and that get really expensive Those spokes are externally laced, hence tubeless.

I can still use the center and side stand, no problem. The seat migth be slightly higher but I'm 6'4" so I dont' really notice. If I had gone 18" in the back, then yes I'm sure I'd notice the seat being higher.

Sorry about font...no idea how it went black...tried to change to a readable font with little luck..

6'4" so no issue touching ground...I love the stock GSA wire wheels but would like a 21" front since I ride almost 100% off road...but HP2 wheels are above my $$$$ range and tubeless is so simple off road that I will stick with what I have..

Thanks again, great report.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:34 AM   #44
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front fender,,,???

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folks,,, i'm working on one,,,,i have this idea of one that will be close to the tire ,,,so that it will scrape all the mud off to the left n right like a plow-share,,,so it i'd want it close,,,but not so far away that a rock could jam in there,,,

your thoughts?????
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great idea but for me it sounds like a solution in search of a problem. For me, mud really hasn't been an issue (yet). It's pretty dry conditions out here. I mainly want the header and engine protection, along with keeping the spray and rocks from coming up and damaging my delicate whale foreskin riding attire.
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