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Old 05-06-2012, 07:09 AM   #1
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Help ID Vintage bike

OK, a friend brought an old bike into the shop and we are trying to figure out just exactly what it is we've got. It had belonged to his much older brother who rode it to college classes late '40s.....wasn't new then, however. It got taken apart and thrown in boxes back in the early '50s and there it sat until a couple of weeks ago. We have been going thru the boxes and assembling the bike as best we can in order to figure out just parts and pieces we have or are missing.

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The engine is a Sachs M98. From paperwork we found on the net, it appears the serial #puts the engine as a 1929. ?? It is a two-stroke, 2-speed motor. Hand shift on right hand side of tank. Clutch appears to have been hand operated, also. It is a kick-start motor, not a pedal start.

Only ID we can find on the chassis itself is this plate:


Not sure if it is an actual Sachs built bike or not. Or if this Streifthau Mfg, in Ohio, purchased the Sachs engine, as many companies did back then, and then built their own chassis? Not much info on Streifthau or than about some amusement park.

THere does seem to be a fair amount of info on the net on the Sachs and thes older bikes, but its typically been in Dutch, German or even Russian!!

Any ideas on just exactly what it is we got here???
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:56 AM   #2
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Page 24 and 25 , http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...ompany&f=false


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Old 05-06-2012, 08:29 AM   #3
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Ahhh...good link! Most of what I had run across was post WWII about the amusement park. Nothing earlier. So streifthau ran a hardware/motorcycle store in the '20s. Thinking he might have imported the bikes, then re-badged them as opposed to manufacturing the frame and installing the engine.

All the nuts bolts are metric, though some odd ball sizes... 11mm x 1.00, 9mm x 1.00.
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Old 05-06-2012, 01:16 PM   #4
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As soon as I saw the milk crate I knew it was an early KLR.
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Old 05-06-2012, 02:30 PM   #5
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I get "page 22-29 are not available in this preview".
Can't help ya with that one buddy . Comes up as a copyrighted pdf format that does not allow cut n paste for me .

The gist being that the bikes were built in house using a Sachs motor for use at the park for patrons starting in about 1938 .



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Old 05-07-2012, 05:16 AM   #7
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Ok, I read the caption that motorbikes were added to the park rides in 1937, buy forgive my apparent lack of reading compression. The mentions I've read of the motorbikes was first that in 1920's Streifthau had a hardware store/motorcycle shop. the next mention is that motorbikes were added as rides at the amusment park in 1937. I guess I must have skimmed over the mention of them building the bikes in-house...?? The amusement park car rides were built, it said by the Custer Car company of Dayton, but I didn't see or missed the reference to the building of the bikes
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:33 AM   #8
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BTW, FZ700, thanks for finding that!!

So if this was made down there in Middleton, OH.....that would make it an American Made motorcycle, eh.

Any thoughts or opinions on what to do with it? The owner is torn between doing a "preservation" type restoration....cleaning all the dirt and grime off of it, getting it running, but leaving it in its more or less original condition as found. Or stripping it all down sandblasting, powder coating or painting it etc., to look like a new bike again. Told him we would do whatever he wants. Kind of leaning toward making it operational again, but otherwise clean-up and leave as is.

Also told him I couldn't help him with its value. Their just is not much out there to compare it to. Other than the old, whatever someone is willing to pay, standard.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:42 AM   #9
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Just a little sidebar here. came across this, but no other info on it.

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Old 05-07-2012, 06:20 PM   #10
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You might consider contacting the Antique Motorcycle Club of America: http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/

There are a lot of resources and knowledgeable people there.
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BTW, FZ700, thanks for finding that!!

So if this was made down there in Middleton, OH.....that would make it an American Made motorcycle, eh.

Any thoughts or opinions on what to do with it? The owner is torn between doing a "preservation" type restoration....cleaning all the dirt and grime off of it, getting it running, but leaving it in its more or less original condition as found. Or stripping it all down sandblasting, powder coating or painting it etc., to look like a new bike again. Told him we would do whatever he wants. Kind of leaning toward making it operational again, but otherwise clean-up and leave as is.

Also told him I couldn't help him with its value. Their just is not much out there to compare it to. Other than the old, whatever someone is willing to pay, standard.

... not mine , no suggestions . At the end of the day what will it be worth ? . I like your advice to him .

Some of the sites that came up and mentioned them when I googled it ,

http://at1ce.org/themenreihe.p?c=Def...nited%20States

http://at1ce.org/themenreihe.p?c=Mot...nited%20States



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Just a little sidebar here. came across this, but no other info on it.


Looking like the bike may be newer than first thought .

I feel like Q.T Hush ...



From here , http://soaphs.com/companies/index.htm

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Streifthau Manufacturing Company was created in 1958 by Middletown resident, Edgar Streifthau. At the time, Edgar was the majority owner of LeSourdsville Lake Amusement Park. A few years earlier, Edgar, Edgar's son Lindy and Oxford resident Frank Dodd teamed up to develop the "Streifthau car." The cars were manufactured in a red brick building on the grounds which would later become Fantasy Farm amusement park. Cars were sold to parks around the country. The company also manufactured Erie Motorbikes.

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Old 05-08-2012, 06:16 AM   #13
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The Erie motorbikes were one of Streifthau's three motorbike concerns apparently and was the last one and was indeed from the late 50's. The owner acquired this bike after he got back from WWII and started college in 1946. So we know it was prior to that incarnation of the Streifthau Mfg. Co. that made their Erie line. It was also a well used vehicle by 1946, in fact it was acquired from a salvage yard!. We can pin down the engine by its serial number, but that doesn't mean that's the year it was used in an actual bike at that time. Apparently F&S made something like 750,000 of these motors and they were sold to over 60 different companies.

Did find this:



A 1930's Sparta. Its the only thing we have found with that distinctive gas tank and many other similarities.

Have sent out a couple of e-mails to Streifthau & Family Farms historians, but haven't heard back yet.
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Who or what was the main purchaser of these bikes ?
Or were they mainly for fairground and amusement park use ?



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as soon as i saw the milk crate i knew it is an early klr.
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