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Old 05-08-2012, 10:44 AM   #1756
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Ducati only builds twins for street use, so the whole L-4 motor is not part of their history. I would hope that being competitive is more important than the engine architecture to the majority of the Ducatisti.

Just another reason why I question why Ducati is in MotoGP.
Harley doesn't race much anymore, either. I can see it now, a pushrod aircooled twin in a carbon frame!
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:02 PM   #1757
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Kropotkin seems to think it is more about money and resources to built a narrow V than it is about tradition. Or at least that is what I take away from his comments.

I will be surprised if we see a narrow V from them this year. But it would be a welcome surprise.

Rossi was still 28 seconds down on the race winner at Estoril, the same distance they have been all year.

The problem with Hayden's bike seems almost inexcusable the more I think about it.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:18 PM   #1758
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Harley doesn't race much anymore, either. I can see it now, a pushrod aircooled twin in a carbon frame!
You can't be all things to all people, and it is best to stay with your strengths. WSBK is a great stage for Ducati, and I'd imagine the budget required to be competitive there is several times smaller than in MotoGP.

And H-D is still the king of the dirt tracks (although Ducati has also recently gotten a win in that series).
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:48 PM   #1759
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HD was into road racing with the stockers, I remember seeing these new brothers, yup the Bostrom brothers racing in the AMA HD series a "few" years back
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:08 PM   #1760
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:16 PM   #1761
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Ouch.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:20 PM   #1762
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Yeah, Cal tweeted that pic, eeeesh.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:01 PM   #1763
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Rossi was still 28 seconds down on the race winner at Estoril, the same distance they have been all year.
Last year they were 16 seconds behind. This year 27 seconds behind. They could not close a 16 second gap and they are going to close a 27 one?

People seem to ignore that Honda and Yamaha keep developing their bikes.

Last year in Estoril, Rossi had an average speed of 152.3 km/h. This year he had an average speed of 152.5 km/h. And that's more. It's an improvement. The problem is that Pedrosa had an average speed last year of 153.2 km/h and he won. This year he got 3rd with 153.8 km/h.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:29 PM   #1764
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Last year they were 16 seconds behind. This year 27 seconds behind. They could not close a 16 second gap and they are going to close a 27 one?

People seem to ignore that Honda and Yamaha keep developing their bikes.

Last year in Estoril, Rossi had an average speed of 152.3 km/h. This year he had an average speed of 152.5 km/h. And that's more. It's an improvement. The problem is that Pedrosa had an average speed last year of 153.2 km/h and he won. This year he got 3rd with 153.8 km/h.
Good point! Ducati's problems are due in part to two things:

1. What ducati is doing wrong
2. What the others are doing right
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:50 PM   #1765
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Rossi has the best prototype for Ducati to copy sitting in his bedroom, all they have to do is roll it into Ducati Corse and reverse engineer the M1.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:54 PM   #1766
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My problem with Preziosi is, he doesn't seem to understand what it takes to build...not a fast bike....but a bike that can be ridden fast. He always wants to put these fire breathing beasts under the riders and that riders are, like, WTF!!!

Remember Nicky's comment when he first rode the Duc? "I don't know how much they are paying Casey, but it ain't enough."

A bike needs to be a giant pussy cat that purrs when you stroke it, not some raging beast that tries to bite you in the ass at every turn, every input. They need a bike their riders can ride the wheels off of, not one they hang onto white knuckled, and for dear life.

Carlo Pernat has suggested they beg Casey to come back and to offer him a giant sack of cash to do so.

I would love to hear a Colin Edwards' review of a test ride on the Duc. They would get an (valuable) earful.
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:37 AM   #1767
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My problem with Preziosi is, he doesn't seem to understand what it takes to build...not a fast bike....but a bike that can be ridden fast. He always wants to put these fire breathing beasts under the riders and that riders are, like, WTF!!!

Remember Nicky's comment when he first rode the Duc? "I don't know how much they are paying Casey, but it ain't enough."

A bike needs to be a giant pussy cat that purrs when you stroke it, not some raging beast that tries to bite you in the ass at every turn, every input. They need a bike their riders can ride the wheels off of, not one they hang onto white knuckled, and for dear life.

Carlo Pernat has suggested they beg Casey to come back and to offer him a giant sack of cash to do so.

I would love to hear a Colin Edwards' review of a test ride on the Duc. They would get an (valuable) earful.
and what do you do when your pussy cat of a bike is still 27 seconds behind?
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:02 AM   #1768
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:15 AM   #1769
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My problem with Preziosi is, he doesn't seem to understand what it takes to build...not a fast bike....but a bike that can be ridden fast. He always wants to put these fire breathing beasts under the riders and that riders are, like, WTF!!! ...

The ironic thing is that used to be exactly the mindset of the Japanese factories.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:27 AM   #1770
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Classic Italian passion over all else: The angle of the engine has (to date) been off the table, because some feel "it's not a Ducati if it's not 90deg."...
Results influence passion- just takes a while. For a very long time Ducati Superbikes had to have a single sided swingarm, undertail exhausts, trellis frame, as well as the L twin. That started to change with the 999 and now the Panigale just retains the engine angle. Granted, the engine is probably the strongest association with Ducati- but as a V/L twin. The MotoGP bike already broke with the twin part, so the angle should be less critical in that class.

But as Motorcyclist said- it is kind of puzzling why Ducati is even in MotoGP. Don't get me wrong- I'm glad they're in it (painful as it is- hope springs eternal); just hard to figure that they're learning enough to make it worthwhile with the current economic situation. From the looks on people's faces, it sure doesn't seem like it's to have fun.
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