A hack question for the Aussies.

[tripodtiger]

Originally Posted by oppozit

As a moderator you can comment on what ever you like, but it would help if your comments WERE ACCURATE! NO 2WD Ural can be imported into Australia and registered because it fails ADR 57. The rest of your comments are accurate, (especially the part about female reactions to the Australian accent, at least based on personal experience). To have a 2WD motorcycle in Australia, you either go down pops road or mine, or do something even more radical like Ian Drysdale.

I figured he had his tongue firmly in his cheek....



And just to clarify for those that entered late.

Vortexau is mildly obsessive compulsive.
Oppozit is compulsively pedantic.

I'm clinically depressed & trauma effected.
But I'm getting better!
(Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!)

So lots of us have issues. Time to take a big breath, IMHO.



Arguable truth may be - you can do almost anything you want. All you need to do is to get someone to sign the relevant sheet of paper.

Our politicians and big business people do it all the time. Rules are only for we plebs.

[roscoau]

Originally Posted by AceRph

I don't see a downside. Am I missing something?

I would think living in a third world country would be the biggy...

[AceRph]

Yeah. I forgot about that part. Gotta make do sometimes.

[Precis]

Originally Posted by tripodtiger

Vortexau is mildly obsessive compulsive.
Oppozit is compulsively pedantic.

I'm clinically depressed & trauma affected.

So lots of us have issues.(snip)

Fixed - and I'm obsessive compulsively pedantic...

[dakdakdave]

yeh.....?????.................as I said, over 30 years old, blah blah blah.
what a blight to the rest of the world a couple of fellas just made us Australians look like.
bugger. a simple answer made difficult by late night drinks and computers.
oh well.

[tripodtiger]

Originally Posted by Precis

Fixed - and I'm obsessive compulsively pedantic...

I have been typing that same error for, well, as long as I've been typing. I wonder how long since I wrote that error?
Blame my primary school teachers.

[gspell68]

The best (cheapest) option is to beat the 30 year right-hand rule with a late '60's/early '70's military Dnepr (KMZ) MB-750 (sometimes called an MV-750 or MW-750 depending on the country/language), MB-750B, or a civilian 1970's MT-12. All are 30+ years old, all are 2WD, but all are flatheads. The OHV option is the military MB-650's; most, but not all, are 30+ years old, so you'd have to take care about the year.

And you can then swap engines. All Ural, Dnepr, and CJ-750's major assemblies are pretty much a direct swap or require very minor mods (like a new Ural 750 has some dowel pins in the way, etc.).

MB-750...


A civilian MT-12...


A military OHV MB-650...

[tripodtiger]

Originally Posted by gspell68

And you can then swap engines. All Ural, Dnepr, and CJ-750's major assemblies are pretty much a direct swap or require very minor mods (like a new Ural 750 has some dowel pins in the way, etc.).

If you are suggesting installing a 'modern' - okay, recently manufactured? - engine the bike would not qualify for historic rego. That's been covered in wording similar to 'appropriate for the period'. Obviously any historic vehicle will have modern or re-manufactured parts but I don't think a complete engine is in keeping with the spirit of the legislation.

The question then becomes how much of a new engine can you instal into original / period engine & gearbox cases?

[oppozit]

Originally Posted by tripodtiger

If you are suggesting installing a 'modern' - okay, recently manufactured? - engine the bike would not qualify for historic rego. That's been covered in wording similar to 'appropriate for the period'. Obviously any historic vehicle will have modern or re-manufactured parts but I don't think a complete engine is in keeping with the spirit of the legislation.

The question then becomes how much of a new engine can you instal into original / period engine & gearbox cases?

Depends upon the State and it's interpretation of the rules. Capacity differences may cause problems - Ural 650 to Ural 750 is greater than 10%, but for Dneprs 750SV to 650OHV is no problem. Different States, different rules - but a friendly chat with the relevant authorities can often get good results - you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. I can point to some "interesting" approvals in QLD where people have been reasonable and polite. Ural 750s (OHV) used the same braking systems as Ural 650s in the beginning.

[vortexau]

Originally Posted by roscoau

I would think living in a third world country would be the biggy...

You think?

What I know is that . . .



. . .
Australia the 'happiest' in the world

A survey by the OECD finds Australians are living the good life and loving it -


AUSTRALIA is living up to its nickname of "the lucky country", with a new survey marking it as the happiest industrialised nation in the world based on criteria such as jobs, income and health.

Having sidestepped the economic malaise gripping much of Europe and with near full employment owing to a once-in-a-century resources boom, Australia has come out on top ahead of Norway and the US in the annual Better Life Index compiled by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

Australian Beers win at World Beer Cup

Brewers from Australia received awards from an elite international panel of judges in the 2012 Brewers Association World Beer Cup in Boulder, Colorado, USA. The winners were amongst our favourite brewers. Burleigh Brewing won Gold for Hef, Redoak won gold for Redoak Bitter, Stone & Wood won silver for Pacific Ale and Endeavour won silver for their 2011 Reserve Pale Ale.
The ninth bi-annual competition boasted the strongest field of entrants on record, with 799 breweries from 54 countries entering 3,921 beers in 95 beer style categories.

Could be that we's so happy drinking award-winning beers?

International comparisons of national debt

Comparisons

The IMF data shows that Australia has the lowest level of gross debt, after Chile, when compared with other member states in the Organisation of Economic Development and Co-operation (OECD). In terms of net debt, only Chile, Denmark, New Zealand, Norway and Sweden have lower levels.


Over the course of the GFC Australia’s net debt position went from a low of minus 3.8 per cent of GDP in 2007–08 to a projected high of 6.0 per cent in 2012–13. In comparisons, the average in the G7 countries (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom and United States) went from a low of 53.0 per cent in 2007 to projected 94.2 per cent in 2015. By 2015, Japan’s net debt is projected to reach 154.7 per cent of GDP, America’s 85.5 per cent and the United Kingdom’s 83.9 per cent.

So, the country is in fair shape . . . . but if I was really full-blown (instead of only mildly) Obsessive Compulsive, I'd be bemoaning my levels of personal debt with some fine Aussie (World-winning) Brews consumed on my veranda as the winter sun sets and I have to venture inside as the chill gets too much for shorts-clad legs and bare feet.

[Billtr96sn]

Oooh I can chime in here, I was almost born in a sidecar attached to a 16H!! In the UK where wrong side chairs are illegal and that is a total ita when going abroad especially when paying at toll booths.

My Qualies? Bi-Polar, P.T.S.D., Lupus (Systemic), Rheumatoid arthritis, and 3 Hondas at the moment (amongst others)


What I can tell you is that when the 2wd 16H's were demobbed they were SUPPOSED to have the driveshafts cut through with a gas axe, but quite a few got through unscathed (My dad had at least 2 of them)

[vortexau]

If IMZ-Ural was really catering to a worldwide clientele of Sidecarists, and not just US & Euro ones, they'd have brought out a 2WD model for customers living in left-hand side of the road nations.

If manufacturers have no problems supplying us with 230-240v AC, 50Hz, with a usable Aussie-type plug, why not motor vehicle ranges suitable for our driving?

[Billtr96sn]

Dont forget the Brits, we have the same troubles as well.

[vortexau]

No, I'm not ignoring the needs of UK Sidecarists. YOU also employ a decent 240V - 50Hz AC power network; just your plugs are slightly weird (particulary those with the fuse inside).

I'd been reading about the ones there who tried such diverse tactics as trying a get a 2WD Ural outfit through MOT as a trike, a full decade ago.

As I understand, factories have resources and budgets not available to the private individual. I can see at least FOUR different ways that drive could be taken over to a Left-mounted sidecar, with one being a Leftside Shaft & Hypoid in the swingarm. Second option is driving from a single-sided swingarm (like BMW introduced with their initial R80GS model).



Indeed I do know of at least one private build of a BMW 2WD Outfit that takes advantage of the bare rotating face provided by this drive & suspension system.

Even a contra-rotating lateral shaft could be driven from the Left Side of a slightly-modified standard Ural rear hub, with rotation corrected by another twin-gear-set positioning the Sidecar Wheel forward by the usual lead amount.

Yet, if one can include a full-time 2WD with differential; the lead on the sidecar wheel is not so necessary.

[Billtr96sn]

I agree, if a factory really wanted to make a 2wd for us normal people it shouldnt be that difficult. The single sided Beemer looks like a good starting point and back in the 80's there were many smaller firms making single sided swingarms as a replacement for standard jobbies.
The most expensive part would be making a diff or a clutching system to disengage the drive when not needed.