The XL600 thread - Page 382

Ivanych · 05-14-2012, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tractor4play

before i start i would like to wish jontow goodluck with his new xl.
well i have been getting mixed feedback from thumpertalk and 4strokes forums etc.i am very interested in swapping the frontend from my xl600 to xr650R forks and triples.i have been told its a straight swap.i know xr600r will swap in without probs but what do i need to do if i have xr650r forks and triples.are the stems the same or do i need to swap stems and buy different bearings? i know zombie done this a while back but he didnt use 650r items.thanks in advance for any input.

Hello!
You have to remove the stem XR650r (male) of the STEERING STEM and to reduce the diameter of the (landing) for XL600 install the lower bearing. Pay attention to the length of the stem (pin)! I did adapt CRF450 forks on my xr500r.
Here is some information:
http://home.comcast.net/~ledrocnoc/CRFClampMods/
my photos of the stem before machining:

after:

jontow · 05-17-2012, 09:31 AM

Soooo.. fun stuff. Haven't been able to torque the rear axle nut correctly, but had enough torque on it to make me feel reasonably safe, and have been checking consistantly to make sure it wasn't backing off. When I got the bike, the chain adjustment wasn't equal side to side, and I thought the PO was just being a dork and not maintaining it. Turns out, that wasn't the case at all.

After a short ride yesterday, I went to lube and tighten the chain up by a click, and noticed that again, the right side adjuster had *backed off* on its own. I attribute this to not having the axle nut torqued appropriately.

So, here's why I haven't been able to torque it: when I do, the rear wheel binds, and I hadn't figured out how until yesterday when I discovered the rest of this crap. It manages to pinch the brake backing plate up against the outer edge of the hub!

It appears as though there's most of 1/8" of material missing in the inner bearing/collar/spacer/sleeve/oring/circlip/dirtysock/lastweekslunch assembly, but I can't find any indication that I'm actually missing parts, nor is there that much obvious wear on anything I've inspected. I'm getting ready to drop the $150 or so from honda on the entire innards, but first wanted to ask: *what. the. f.*? Has anyone else run into this?

Last thing I did before I went to bed was take a random tractor supply sourced flat washer I had laying on the bench, drill it out to 5/8" and then use a burr to open it to the size of the axle itself; then slipped it in between the drum and brake backing plate. I haven't rode the bike on this, it terrifies me a might bit to do so, but it proved my theory. Now I can torque the axle nut to 58ftlbs and have *no rear wheel bind*. The thing is, the washer is stationary against the backing plate, and also sitting against the rotating center of the right side wheel bearing, so I don't think it'd last long before grenading. Maybe I'm wrong and this is fine, but I don't get that gut feeling.

Thoughts? Insults? Prayers? Advice? Pictures?

cynicwanderer · 05-17-2012, 02:07 PM

nice. what swingarm is that ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivanych

Hello!
You have to remove the stem XR650r (male) of the STEERING STEM and to reduce the diameter of the (landing) for XL600 install the lower bearing. Pay attention to the length of the stem (pin)! I did adapt CRF450 forks on my xr500r.
Here is some information:
http://home.comcast.net/~ledrocnoc/CRFClampMods/
my photos of the stem before machining:

after:

BRPtourer · 05-17-2012, 06:24 PM

jontow,
It sounds like one of your spacers is either the wrong one or worn down badly. Sometimes it is hard to tell wear as the spacer will wear even and flat, usually with some mushrooming around the outside diameter. If the bike ate a wheel bearing in the past it may have ground down a spacer. I suggest going to a parts site like Bike Bandit and look carefully at the schematic to make sure all of the spacers are there and installed right.
As to your washer fix, as long as you can torque the axle properly and nothing is binding and the wheel turns free, it should be ok for temporary. It may run a long time like that, but I would fix it right ASAP, if for no better reason than for peace of mind.

Ivanych · 05-18-2012, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynicwanderer

nice. what swingarm is that ?

This Xr650L-2000 swing arm.

cynicwanderer · 05-18-2012, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivanych

This Xr650L-2000 swing arm.

Cool, I have a similar project. I'm starting with a XR650L frame/suspension and grafted a XL600 motor into it. I have been looking for a suitable front end for my project.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=466264

I have to update the photos (and thread itself), now that we can't just embed on here anymore...

-ingo

Paden · 05-22-2012, 04:17 PM

Took my XL out on her madien voyage today... after two hours of running great... somthing happened... the engine started stumbling and no power after quarter throttle... I have replaced almost everything! here's a little about the bike,
1983 model
5800 miles
new stator, pulse generator, ignition coil, CDI, spark plug...
im at a loss ...

Any suggestions???

Thanks Guys!!!

mcma111 · 05-22-2012, 04:27 PM

Paden,

Got any oil??

Paden · 05-22-2012, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcma111

Paden,

Got any oil??

Oil is new... looks good... fresh gas... new plug... im depressed

Billtr96sn · 05-23-2012, 03:00 AM

Check the plug gap and the condition of the plug, it is not unknown for new plugs to be iffy, especially NGK.

Carter Pewterschmidt · 05-23-2012, 05:48 AM

Might have some gunk in the carbs that clogged something up. If you haven't gone through them yet I'd give that a go.

They're not fun to remove however. Another member gave me a good pro tip to lighten the stress of the job and that's to take the airbox screws out so you can shove it back a bit, free up some room.

JStory · 05-23-2012, 02:18 PM

I remove all of the engine mount bolts when I'm going
to pull the carbs. It's less aggravation than fighting the carbs.

MMcN49 · 05-24-2012, 07:38 AM

I have a 1987 XL600L that I love riding but my 63 year old knee won’t let me kick start it any more.

Does anyone know of an aftermarket electric starter that I can adapt/install on the engine?

joesm333 · 05-25-2012, 02:40 AM

Hello there one and all.....calling all folk with bike bits stashed away.
I'm looking for a head for a xl600r 83 as while investigating an oil leak found the source and it is a bodged patch up job of a crack in the head.
Do any other heads fit this engine?

Cheers

Homerb · 05-25-2012, 04:28 AM

Have a look at early XR600 heads. I've got one in my garage and I've often wondered if it would fit an XL.

05-17-2012, 09:31 AM	#5717
jontow Adventurer Joined: Jun 2011 Location: Northern NY Oddometer: 55	rear wheel issues Soooo.. fun stuff. Haven't been able to torque the rear axle nut correctly, but had enough torque on it to make me feel reasonably safe, and have been checking consistantly to make sure it wasn't backing off. When I got the bike, the chain adjustment wasn't equal side to side, and I thought the PO was just being a dork and not maintaining it. Turns out, that wasn't the case at all. After a short ride yesterday, I went to lube and tighten the chain up by a click, and noticed that again, the right side adjuster had backed off on its own. I attribute this to not having the axle nut torqued appropriately. So, here's why I haven't been able to torque it: when I do, the rear wheel binds, and I hadn't figured out how until yesterday when I discovered the rest of this crap. It manages to pinch the brake backing plate up against the outer edge of the hub! It appears as though there's most of 1/8" of material missing in the inner bearing/collar/spacer/sleeve/oring/circlip/dirtysock/lastweekslunch assembly, but I can't find any indication that I'm actually missing parts, nor is there that much obvious wear on anything I've inspected. I'm getting ready to drop the $150 or so from honda on the entire innards, but first wanted to ask: what. the. f.? Has anyone else run into this? Last thing I did before I went to bed was take a random tractor supply sourced flat washer I had laying on the bench, drill it out to 5/8" and then use a burr to open it to the size of the axle itself; then slipped it in between the drum and brake backing plate. I haven't rode the bike on this, it terrifies me a might bit to do so, but it proved my theory. Now I can torque the axle nut to 58ftlbs and have no rear wheel bind. The thing is, the washer is stationary against the backing plate, and also sitting against the rotating center of the right side wheel bearing, so I don't think it'd last long before grenading. Maybe I'm wrong and this is fine, but I don't get that gut feeling. Thoughts? Insults? Prayers? Advice? Pictures?

05-17-2012, 06:24 PM	#5719
BRPtourer Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Carson City Oddometer: 152	rear wheel issues jontow, It sounds like one of your spacers is either the wrong one or worn down badly. Sometimes it is hard to tell wear as the spacer will wear even and flat, usually with some mushrooming around the outside diameter. If the bike ate a wheel bearing in the past it may have ground down a spacer. I suggest going to a parts site like Bike Bandit and look carefully at the schematic to make sure all of the spacers are there and installed right. As to your washer fix, as long as you can torque the axle properly and nothing is binding and the wheel turns free, it should be ok for temporary. It may run a long time like that, but I would fix it right ASAP, if for no better reason than for peace of mind.

05-22-2012, 04:17 PM	#5722
Paden Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: SO CAL Oddometer: 35	I need some advise.. Took my XL out on her madien voyage today... after two hours of running great... somthing happened... the engine started stumbling and no power after quarter throttle... I have replaced almost everything! here's a little about the bike, 1983 model 5800 miles new stator, pulse generator, ignition coil, CDI, spark plug... im at a loss ... Any suggestions??? Thanks Guys!!!

05-22-2012, 04:27 PM	#5723
mcma111 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco,Ca. Oddometer: 8,156	Paden, Got any oil?? __________________ Steve in SF BMW's 58 R26 79 R100s 91 R100gs 87 Harley FXRS-SP ~ 06 KTM 625 SMC ~ 72 Honda CB750/915cc ~ 92 XR600/654cc ~ 95 XR650l/675cc ~ 03 CRF450r ~ 05 CRF450x ~ 02 XR650l/675cc ~ 86 YZ490 ~ 93 YZ80 ~ 93 XR650l Project

05-23-2012, 02:18 PM	#5727
JStory Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Dixon, CA Oddometer: 2,175	I remove all of the engine mount bolts when I'm going to pull the carbs. It's less aggravation than fighting the carbs. __________________ Jeff "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." Dr Samuel Johnson.

05-23-2012, 03:00 AM	#5725
Billtr96sn Flange Furtler Joined: Nov 2010 Location: Somerset, UK Oddometer: 368	Check the plug gap and the condition of the plug, it is not unknown for new plugs to be iffy, especially NGK.

05-23-2012, 05:48 AM	#5726
Carter Pewterschmidt Studly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2010 Location: Milwaukee Oddometer: 654	Might have some gunk in the carbs that clogged something up. If you haven't gone through them yet I'd give that a go. They're not fun to remove however. Another member gave me a good pro tip to lighten the stress of the job and that's to take the airbox screws out so you can shove it back a bit, free up some room.

05-24-2012, 07:38 AM	#5728
MMcN49 n00b Joined: Feb 2012 Oddometer: 6	After Market Electric Starter for XL600L I have a 1987 XL600L that I love riding but my 63 year old knee won’t let me kick start it any more. Does anyone know of an aftermarket electric starter that I can adapt/install on the engine?

05-25-2012, 02:40 AM	#5729
joesm333 n00b Joined: Feb 2012 Location: Wiltshire Oddometer: 3	xl600r 83 head Hello there one and all.....calling all folk with bike bits stashed away. I'm looking for a head for a xl600r 83 as while investigating an oil leak found the source and it is a bodged patch up job of a crack in the head. Do any other heads fit this engine? Cheers

05-25-2012, 04:28 AM	#5730
Homerb Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2011 Location: Toukley NSW Australia Oddometer: 221	Have a look at early XR600 heads. I've got one in my garage and I've often wondered if it would fit an XL.

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