DR650 3rd gear blowups - Page 43

FloridaSteve · 05-24-2012, 06:46 AM

Very wishful thinking on your part.

Imagine the conversation at Suzuki:
"If we do nothing, will we still make money off the already very small margins from this bike? Yes we will."
and
"If we fix it (and admit that it was a problem to begin with) do we see any significant increase in sales offsetting our costs? No"

Oh well then..

Adv Grifter · 05-24-2012, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaSteve

Very wishful thinking on your part.
Imagine the conversation at Suzuki:
"If we do nothing, will we still make money off the already very small margins from this bike? Yes we will."
and "If we fix it (and admit that it was a problem to begin with) do we see any significant increase in sales offsetting our costs? No"
Oh well then..

By western standards and values you make a good point. But I think you may fail to fully grasp the Japanese work ethic and moral code. They are not like us.

More likely ... once they know about the problem ... and actually identify it as a real problem ... they would then FIX IT, say nothing and move on. That is: "the Japanese way".

FloridaSteve · 05-24-2012, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adv Grifter

By western standards and values you make a good point. But I think you may fail to fully grasp the Japanese work ethic and moral code. They are not like us.

More likely ... once they know about the problem ... and actually identify it as a real problem ... they would then FIX IT, say nothing and move on. That is: "the Japanese way".

Well they've had what, 14 years? Believe me they know about the "problem". And while they adopted Poke Ayoke over 45 years ago along with most of the Deming manufacturing/management practices I'm pretty sure they've "moved past" the gearset design on a bike long overdue to be updated... 2 cents.

motorat · 05-25-2012, 01:26 PM

is the 3rd gear only for the 1998-2012 models?
i was looking at a 1992 and was wondering if might have the same issue.
thanks

Adv Grifter · 05-25-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by motorat

is the 3rd gear only for the 1998-2012 models?
i was looking at a 1992 and was wondering if might have the same issue.
thanks

'96 to Present.

Pre '96 is a totally different bike. But they do have their own thread here on Thumpers. Just scroll down till you find it. I know very little about those pre '96 bikes ... very few around it seems. Mostly you find them in Europe in countries that were cut off and never got the post '96 bike.

Learn more at Zen biker site. Lots of good DR650 history and much more.

rowie · 05-25-2012, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorat

is the 3rd gear only for the 1998-2012 models?
i was looking at a 1992 and was wondering if might have the same issue.
thanks

Pre 96 also have/had an issue with 3rd and the gear has been updated.

New:

Old:

I got the new gear in September last year from CMSNL.com in The Netherlands and it cost $115EUR. Now the price is 269EUR!

ADV8 · 05-25-2012, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowie

Pre 96 also have/had an issue with 3rd and the gear has been updated.

I got the new gear in September last year from CMSNL.com in The Netherlands and it cost $115EUR. Now the price is 269EUR!

Amazing $119 and $233 for those gears on M R Cycles where I bought a new set of OEM gears for the 96 to 2020 DR for around $65 per gear.
I wonder why they are so dear.

motorat · 05-25-2012, 03:36 PM

thanks.
i had a dr650 on 2001 and loved it for about 5000 miles. sold it and had several bike since.
maybe i'll go with the klr. i already have a milk crate.

doug s. · 05-25-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by motorat

thanks.
i had a dr650 on 2001 and loved it for about 5000 miles. sold it and had several bike since.
maybe i'll go with the klr. i already have a milk crate.

the klr has its own known issues. and the percentage of dr's w/this issue is a fraction of a percent. if you want a bike that is not nearly as nice a ride as a dr, suit yourself...

doug s.

rowie · 05-25-2012, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADV8

Amazing $119 and $233 for those gears on M R Cycles where I bought a new set of OEM gears for the 96 to 2020 DR for around $65 per gear.
I wonder why they are so dear.

I'm guessing it is because they won't sell many for the pre 96's. I only changed mine as a preemptive measure due to the bike being poorly maintained. This is the gears after 30000+ k's:

Wouldn't mind getting the new gears and shafts cryo treated before installing them, but I have not come across any recommended shops in AU to do the work.

DRjoe · 05-25-2012, 08:15 PM

How are the new gears going from nova

If they need money to push the project through I don't mind donating a few $ if we get enough people to throw $10 in the hat that'll pay for a set of gears that can be tested.

How's about it folks

ER70S-2 · 05-25-2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drjoe

how are the new gears going from nova

if they need money to push the project through i don't mind donating a few $ if we get enough people to throw $10 in the hat that'll pay for a set of gears that can be tested.

How's about it folks

+$20

DRjoe · 05-27-2012, 04:50 AM

no more people want to throw a few dollars in the hat then?

brucifer · 05-27-2012, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRjoe

How are the new gears going from nova

If they need money to push the project through I don't mind donating a few $ if we get enough people to throw $10 in the hat that'll pay for a set of gears that can be tested.

How's about it folks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ER70S-2

+$20

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRjoe

no more people want to throw a few dollars in the hat then?

I'm in for $50.00.

Bob808 · 05-27-2012, 12:48 PM

Does anyone know of any case where the new improved Suzuki 3rd gear desintegrated? If there are any, then a statistic could be made for a 60$ part :) ofc a bike made from titanium would work best for rtw but I could live with changing to the improved gear from suzuki.

05-24-2012, 06:46 AM	#631
FloridaSteve Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2006 Location: Jacksonville Florida Oddometer: 2,070	Very wishful thinking on your part. Imagine the conversation at Suzuki: "If we do nothing, will we still make money off the already very small margins from this bike? Yes we will." and "If we fix it (and admit that it was a problem to begin with) do we see any significant increase in sales offsetting our costs? No" Oh well then.. __________________ My Blogs: Higher Resolution Photo Album Motorcycle Photo of the Day 2-Stroke-Biker-Blog

05-25-2012, 01:26 PM	#634
motorat nOOb Joined: Oct 2007 Location: redwood coast, nor cal Oddometer: 549	is the 3rd gear only for the 1998-2012 models? i was looking at a 1992 and was wondering if might have the same issue. thanks __________________ Joe 10 Bonneville SE 08 Vstrom 650 abs

05-25-2012, 03:36 PM	#638
motorat nOOb Joined: Oct 2007 Location: redwood coast, nor cal Oddometer: 549	thanks. i had a dr650 on 2001 and loved it for about 5000 miles. sold it and had several bike since. maybe i'll go with the klr. i already have a milk crate. __________________ Joe 10 Bonneville SE 08 Vstrom 650 abs

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05-25-2012, 08:15 PM	#641
DRjoe Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Sunshine coast qld Oddometer: 4,258	How are the new gears going from nova If they need money to push the project through I don't mind donating a few $ if we get enough people to throw $10 in the hat that'll pay for a set of gears that can be tested. How's about it folks

05-27-2012, 04:50 AM	#643
DRjoe Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Sunshine coast qld Oddometer: 4,258	no more people want to throw a few dollars in the hat then?

05-27-2012, 12:48 PM	#645
Bob808 Adventurer Joined: Apr 2012 Oddometer: 42	Does anyone know of any case where the new improved Suzuki 3rd gear desintegrated? If there are any, then a statistic could be made for a 60$ part :) ofc a bike made from titanium would work best for rtw but I could live with changing to the improved gear from suzuki.