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Old 06-20-2012, 01:36 PM   #556
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Thanks Ken

I have motion X but unfortunately I don't need "maps".. I really need satelite data. Usually the trails we ride/explore in the mountains are not considered roads so map software doesn't have a clue. Hence why satellite imagery is so useful out here

The MotionX on my iPhone lets me cache Bing road, satellite or terrain maps as well as MotionX's proprietary raster maps as well as NOAA marine maps/charts. That's what I was referring to earlier. Do you have the "free" ap or the paid for one? I think the map caching is only available on the paid for ap.

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Old 06-20-2012, 01:45 PM   #557
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I think I have the paid one (I can't remember.. I grabbed it a long time ago when considering buying a Pioneer App Radio)?
Here's a screen capture... Is this the right version?




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Old 06-20-2012, 01:49 PM   #558
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looking at map settings it allows me to set it up to 2 gigs of storage for maps when offline - but I don't see how I can select what maps I want? It says "stores your most recently used maps".

.. I need the opposite.. I need to store where I'm going not where I've been
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:02 PM   #559
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Forgive my naivety... for using an application like this for iphone:

http://appfinder.lisisoft.com/app/rallytracks.html

wouldn't it require that the rally tracks are actually published in some sort of digital format?
Is there a digital format "standard" for roadbooks?
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:17 PM   #560
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Here is that write up I mentioned earlier.


http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Roadbook1.htm

The Life Proof case for my iPhone has a GoPro compatible mount available. I've used my iPhone as a GPS in the van and also used it for a video camera and live streamed some trail riding this weekend. Maybe they'll offer a mount for the iPad?
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:42 PM   #561
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More info ?
Mike took my basic process and is introducing a lot more automation to make things easier. He's also introducing an interesting roadbook "sharing" concept. I haven't seen his first cut yet, so I can't say much more.

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Here is that write up I mentioned earlier. http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Roadbook1.htm
I must have seen that years ago and decided to do the opposite of everything described there.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:16 PM   #562
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Couple of random thoughts...

Tulip (ipad application)
I really know nothing about making roadbooks, and have only ridden a handful of roadbook rides. I just know if I tried to make my first one, even if I did it all initially with handwritten notes, I'd be struggling to get a good looking roadbook as a final product. And possibly that iPad app would do it. I don't even know what to look for, however, to try and identify its limitations....

USB Power.
The iPad is finicky about its power. It draws much more current than most other USB devices, and will go into 'not charging' mode with most generic USB power adapters. It likes a charger that can deliver 2A@5V (10W charger). The www.burnsmoto.com lists his specs at 1A max @ 5V, which is 'standard' USB current. Not really enough to run an iPad, but it will slow down the discharge rate.

Plenty of iPad compatible chargers on Amazon, etc., but I haven't seen any that aren't of the cigar lighter variety. Here's a guy who thinks he has the specs for iPad input reverse engineered and has built his own charger, but that looks like it might be more work than it's worth! You can, of course, hack apart an off the shelf charger and hard-wire it, but the one time I did that out of the country (Garmin, not iPad), the charger circuit pretty much turned to dust from the vibration.

MotionX

MotionX used to be one of my favorite apps in the early iPad days, but now I pretty much never use it. The biggest advantage is the ability to download map segments ('tiles') in advance, so GSM/Data coverage isn't needed to navigate off the grid. The biggest weakness, ironically, is the method/speed/robustness of downloading map tiles is enough to make you throw your iPad away and break out a paper map. A ridiculously non-intuitive way of selecting map segments, and the tile downloads SO FREAKIN SLOW as to be unusable. Those with Garmin GPS's know that loading up 4GB, 8GB, even 16GB of data is not uncommon. 1GB is more than any human would suffer through on MotionX. Not only is it incredibly slow, but it will not download in the background. You MUST leave the MotionX app running, and not exit it. FOR DAYS! And if you get tempted, leave the app, and come back, sure, you can 'resume' the download. But first it 'verifies' every tile in the set you have already received, a process that seems to take almost as long as downloading the tiles themselves. Really the only thing it is useful for is downloading very small areas in high detail, or large areas in very low detail. Sorry for the rant, but they have released many revisions since I've started using it, and if anything, downloads have gotten worse instead of better.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:28 PM   #563
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I have both MotionX GPS and MotionX Drive and although I've loaded maps on MotionX GPS I have not found a way to do it on Drive. The iPhone is limited to 250MB of maps in the cache, while the iPad is limited to 1GB. It looks like they no longer support caching of Bing Maps, even though my ap still has that listed as an option (this screen capture is from the manual for the iPad as opposed to the iPhone)




I use this ap all the time in Riyadh (with a street map) and out in the desert (with a terrain map). I will have to agree that it was a time consuming pain in the rear end to upload the maps, as internet over here is over 3G and is rather slow. That said, I do not know of any other options out there at the moment, so while not perfect by any stretch the MotionX GPS ap is better than nothing I guess.

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I still think you guys are crazy for even thinking about lashing up an iPad to you handlebars!
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:37 PM   #564
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You all keep spelling android wrong.
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Old 06-21-2012, 05:37 AM   #565
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You all keep spelling android wrong.
Oh good, another mines better than yours argument. Ford.....CHEVY!!!!!
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Old 06-21-2012, 05:54 AM   #566
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Oh good, another mines better than yours argument. Ford.....CHEVY!!!!!
Nuh uhhh
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:10 AM   #567
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Nuh uhhh
In another month, I'll have enough rewards points to get another free iTrinket from the great iSatan So, instead of pointing out that we're all buying the wrong shiny box, let's hear what your experience is with your box du jour.... Does the Android work better for RB creation?
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:16 AM   #568
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Thanks Ken
ride up there this summer we should roadbook record a route?


You need a new kind of tripmaster. for making a roadbook ride.
That record wheel distance and have a button to push where you want a roadbooksymbol. (RBWaypoint, lat/lon)
Because track gps record is not that accurate.

A bluetooth module with that button and the wheelsensor attached.
Are there such commom modules.????????
On your device (with gps) a software app to record the data.
Or even moving waypoint symbols to handle with gloves on.
Or even record CAP change.

I would like that in wm android etc.

Writing on paper takes a lot of time time. Then rewriting it again.

On PC laptop
And data is easier to change in a xml enviroment.





Next to each other:
  • the wheelsensor datatrack and RBwaypointdata.
  • GPS track data
  • Map of both tracks.
Clicking on the dat shows were you are.
Hand change the data.


BT more devices we can use.

There is Ant+
something like the:
http://www.royaltek.com/index.php/bv-3200
•2.4GHz ANT+ communication
pedal frequency, front wheel frequency?

This need a new topic!!!!



I made one:

Data record wheelsensor/RBwaypoint for roadbook.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...0#post18960210

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Old 06-21-2012, 08:01 AM   #569
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Yea, RB creation could have its own thread!
Been wondering if a mini pc notebook would be a better option over an iPad or other tablets. A side hack would be perfect for making routes. The monkey can operate the nav gear
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:39 AM   #570
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Yea, RB creation could have its own thread!
Been wondering if a mini pc notebook would be a better option over an iPad or other tablets. A side hack would be perfect for making routes. The monkey can operate the nav gear
X2 on a separate thread.
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