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Old 07-04-2012, 09:19 PM   #106
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It will sound like a V twin and have a similar firing order.
the Yamaha TDM and S10 have it. The theory is, if you space the power strokes further apart, the tire has more opportunity to regain traction.

Yamaha started using a similar configuration in their 4 cylinder Grand Prix bikes in 2005. Ducati does it naturally with its 90 degree V twin engine.

The Nuda not only has the offset crank, it has bigger valves, higher lift
cams and 13.1 compression.

I do not want all that, but I think the crank would be good. It is BMW, they will probably do something else.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:53 PM   #107
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I question the idiot naming/marketing branding on BMW's part. Just make all bikes GS and GS Adventure. It would have covered the

F650GS/Dakar and now G/Sertao - F650GS and GSA
The new F650GS/F800GS - F800GS and GSA
R1200GS/GSA

How hard is it? Geez! They did it correctly with the R1200GS...
If BMW start doing that, they might as well just jump on-board with Harley's naming conventions and be done with it. It's bad enough that they already label "Adventure" bikes separately from the normal GS bikes. "Gelände/Straße" is already supposed to mean "off-road" which one would think would also mean "adventure"!

Most of the "Adventure" bikes that I see are usually only used for suburban commuting anyway, and though I'm an advocate of a bike making every little trip into an adventure, I'm pretty sure that's not what the boys in Berlin had in mind.

Ultimately, it's all how the bike's used. FFS, Ted Simon's Tiger was little more than a customised street bike by today's standards!
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:41 AM   #108
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Just out of interest, what makes you think you know better than an international company with a large marketing department? Their marketing obviously works and just because it doesn't suit you, you slag it off.
You really can't be that naive...

Let's see - international company, a HUMONGOUS marketing department, and their marketing obviously works. Do you remember NEW COKE?

I could site another half dozen gaffs made by international/marketing/behemoths...

edit - aw hell, may as well bring up a couple from the venerable Motorrad Co. R1200ST (unmitigated disaster), R1200S (just a tad less so).
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:59 AM   #109
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:48 AM   #110
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From the above article:

"Both models come standard with the newest generation of ABS brakes which are lighter and more compact. The inlet valves are adjustable and it uses new wheel sensors."

what are adjustable inlet valves?
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:57 PM   #111
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Just as an aside, I went into my BMW dealership today, and started talking to the sales guy about the new F800. He was looking at BMW's website for details - I knew more than him! He thought it was being unveiled at the BMW weekend in Germany, so maybe there's more details on the way.

I like the 'dark green' colour scheme, though!
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:05 PM   #112
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... so maybe there's more details on the way.
I think we have plenty of detail at this point - the published PR drones on like a doctoral thesis.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/BMW-motorcycles/bmw-f700gs/

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Old 07-06-2012, 03:08 PM   #113
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Eek I didn't like...

Ok, I didn't like. Seems mostly cosmetic changes and, some of them, pretty hard to deal with. Did you guys realized they put back the old bulbs blinkers? Actually, it's a little confuse, 'cause when you go to the bike's picture, complete with all the BMW stuffs, the LED ones appear on the bike. Is that because it's optional now? On the other hand: relocate the rear brake fluid reservoir could expose it to the engine heat. The same with the regulator: more exposed to mud, rocks and other stuffs flying up during off roads trips.

How about the beak? In my bike, if I had an accident and damage the beak, I can buy it (only it) to put the bike's front end back together again. If something like this occur with the new model, you should buy an even bigger part, 'cause the "new beak actually goes all the way to the false tank.... Of course, bigger part, more money to spend. In order to "de-beak" it, you would have to use a saw.

All in all, I didn't like because I can't see any application for these mods. Maybe I'm an ignorant.
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #114
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Interesting to see that both front and rear break reservoirs now look exactly as my modified ones :-) So much for air bubbles in the front reservoir....

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Old 07-07-2012, 01:25 PM   #115
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[QUOTE=Endurodude;.............. He thought it was being unveiled at the BMW weekend in Germany, so maybe there's more details on the way.

I like the 'dark green' colour scheme, though![/QUOTE]

Yep, he's right on, I saw it at "BMW Motorrad Days" in Garmisch a few hours ago. They had two F700GS on display, a red one with a low seat, no electronicsone and the other was sort of a gray/green(osta grey metallic matte) with all the electronics, very nice color. I asked one of the BMW guys when the F700GS would be available in the USA and all he would say in "in the autumn". This bike was surronded by more folks then any other exibiit in the building.
Looks like a winner to me..... if it's priced right.

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Old 07-07-2012, 08:57 PM   #116
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:40 PM   #117
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My bike was basically designed and made in 1987 (it's a KLR650 1.0) and it's still more bike than I can handle. Just sayin.
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:23 AM   #118
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I'm with you graverobber. I find anything over 650cc more than I ever need. In fact, after riding since the 80s, I bought a little Ninja 250 in 2010 and have been using that for my commuter to good result. Comfortable 70 mph on the freeway, accelerates faster than the cars I ride with, great gas mileage, and really fun to throw around on weekend excursions on back roads. I honestly can't understand the need for liter+ displacement, though I respect the skills of those who handle them. And, as it relates to the F700GS, the increase in horsepower and torque for me is a complete non-issue -- it had plenty before. I'd rather keep the weight down and have a true 650cc on a lighter bike that I find more fun in the corners or on bad roads.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:08 AM   #119
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Yep, he's right on, I saw it at "BMW Motorrad Days" in Garmisch a few hours ago. They had two F700GS on display, a red one with a low seat, no electronicsone and the other was sort of a gray/green(osta grey metallic matte) with all the electronics, very nice color. I asked one of the BMW guys when the F700GS would be available in the USA and all he would say in "in the autumn". This bike was surronded by more folks then any other exibiit in the building.
Looks like a winner to me..... if it's priced right.

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Hello Paul,

On the one with all the electronics, what can you control with ESA?

Thanks

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Old 07-08-2012, 02:37 PM   #120
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Hello Paul,

On the one with all the electronics, what can you control with ESA?

Thanks

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Sorry but I don`t know. I don`t speak German, the the reps english was a bit weak I didn`t want to be a PITA as ther were many folks waiting to speak with him.

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