Lance Armstrong

[surly357]

Originally Posted by swimmer

The guys who allegedly testified that Armstrong doped have nothing to gain and will loose a lot when everything comes out. .....

*Allegedly* they made deals for shortened suspensions that don't begin until September. That's something to gain.


Seems to me the Feds would have required a jury trial. Bringing two star witnesses with laughable credibility (Landis turned his back on his religion to wear short pants and race bicycles, Hamilton and his unborn twin- wtf??!!). The defense then hints that the others were, in effect, bribed, and I don't think they thought they could erase 'reasonable doubt'. I believe they were right.

However, if USADA only needs a 'panel' of like minded inquisitors Armstrong's fate is sealed. I think that's why we see his attorneys focusing on the process, personality, and politics of USADA. It's really their only chance.

[lacofdfireman]

Lance was always an inspiration to me until he cheated on his wife. I was pretty bummed about that. I have learned to try not to judge though since that is not my calling.. I still think they should just leave him be though. He was a joy to watch and will always be one of my Hero's...

[Signal]

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However, if USADA only needs a 'panel' of like minded inquisitors Armstrong's fate is sealed. I think that's why we see his attorneys focusing on the process, personality, and politics of USADA. It's really their only chance.[/QUOTE]


they (USADA) are both judge and jury- that aint right

[Green Stainz]

Originally Posted by Signal

they (USADA) are both judge and jury- that aint right

Kind of like roger goodell

[mrt10x]

Originally Posted by Jurgen

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that all pro sports are in a doping era. Baseball may (may?) have backed off a bit, but any highly paid professional sport where one can see real benefit the athletes will dope. Physicians & bio-chemists will assist them.

Cycling has real benefits to doping. Huge. I believe Lance doped, a bunch of smoke there. But I also believe most of the field he was beating doped too. The dopers were (are) ahead of the detectors. Even now they are going after Lance in a "non-anylitic case."

So what? How many of the runner ups have been found to be dopers? How many of the others were or will be analyzed in the same way as Lance is now being accused?

One could read between the lines of the USADA chief's comments when the federal criminal investigation was dropped that this may be coming. But what will they be proving?

Years ago in pole vault they went from bamboo to fiberglass poles. Fiberglass had huge advantages. Records flew up. If you competed with a bamboo pole you would lose. Lance had a fiberglass pole. But so did everyone else in the peleton.


Convince me that the following did NOT dope. You will have a tough time.



Looks like every single runner up is tainted. This isn't something this very casual fan before spending some time with Wiki. How deep into the pack do you need to go before you get away from the odor of taint?

I don't understand what this inquiry will prove at all? It is a waste of time, money and effort.

Dude you nailed it for me.. I am an avid rider and TDF fan.. have been since the early 80's. I know he doped and he beat a field of fellow dopers, I believe every top contender this year is doped as well... wont change how I feel about the sport. I think UCI is in on it, and every team has a systematic doping program. IMHO YMMV

[Kamala]

How was (team) Lance so clever that he could beat the testing while others couldn't?

[shrineclown]

Originally Posted by Kamala

How was (team) Lance so clever that he could beat the testing while others couldn't?

Banana's

[zippy]

Originally Posted by Kamala

How was (team) Lance so clever that he could beat the testing while others couldn't?

don't think it has much to do with being clever. Money money money .....money.

[yater]

Originally Posted by Kamala

How was (team) Lance so clever that he could beat the testing while others couldn't?

It's not hard to beat testing when they test for test/epi test ratios and epo. Those guys were shipping blood refills. They were also using androgel and keeping their ratios reasonable. The amateur p/1/2 guys are the ones running the hematocrit at 60 (epo) and 150mg of injectable test/week...nothing to lose and testing is almost unheard of.

[yater]

Well, I guess you could dehydrate with hct at 60+ and die in your sleep. Otherwise, no problem!

[mrt10x]

the cheaters have always been able to stay one step ahead of the testers.

[h2o_snow]

Originally Posted by mrt10x

the cheaters have always been able to stay one step ahead of the testers.

+1 - exactly! When there is something to be gained on a professional level there will always be cheaters. Happens all over - not only w/sports.

Whether Lance doped is pretty immaterial to me - he beat a bunch of dopers 7 times years ago. I respect that. It was an even field although given his history of inovation and preparation you would have to believe his drug program would be cutting edge at the time. As we know "I have never tested positive" is the camp mantra. At the end of the day he has to live with himself.

Let him compete in the ironman - lets see what he has left as a "clean" athlete.

[RxZ]

Originally Posted by h2o_snow

Let him compete in the ironman - lets see what he has left as a "clean" athlete.

I wouldn't be surprised at the results though... Didn't he win the Leadville 100 MTB race a few years ago?

Edit: Yep, he won in 2009, and was 2nd place in 2008. When he won he was 30 minutes ahead of the next guy, when he was second it was only by a couple of minutes, and then the 3rd place guy was about 40 minutes behind!

Did he dope? Maybe, maybe probably. But come on, the man is a beast! The doping doesn't transform you like going from a sedentary scientist to the Hulk That said, I do not like the message all the doping is sending to the kids coming up in the sport. Win at all costs!

[BeeCeeGS]

USADA believes it has the authority to strip Lance of his TDF victories.

I guess we'll never get to see how he'd do in an Ironman.

[TexasTornado]

This just sucks. I am sure he did nothing more than everyone else did

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sp...pagewanted=all