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Old 07-31-2012, 07:01 PM   #196
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Gotta admit I like the looks of the new 700 better than the new 800. If I were buying a new bike, I might spring for the 700 instead.
I agree. With all the good & bad of bmw and the griping I/we do about this & that the 700 is a good looking classy bike.
I would tour on it.
(Just make a long travel version)

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Old 08-01-2012, 04:01 AM   #197
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I agree. With all the good & bad of bmw and the griping I/we do about this & that the 700 is a good looking classy bike.
I would tour on it.
(Just make a long travel version)

Buy the cheaper new 700, swap the now properly set up suspension from your old one on to the new one, put the new stuff on the old one. Sell it for a fortune.

Buy beer and celebrate.

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Old 08-01-2012, 05:30 PM   #198
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god damn it why did they mess up the turn switchs? I don't want the "left-right-click" switch, I want good old BMW style 3 switches for 4 functions!
So they'll mess up the whole next generation of boxer too hmm? thought the GS-series would get away with it and keep the old two-button combo... RIP

Glad I got a 2010 model...
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:59 PM   #199
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F700

David, you better hide, calling the new F700 a girls bike!! I just totaled my F650GS and may be looking at the new one.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:11 PM   #200
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Anyone notice the reg/rec had been changed and the rear brake reservoir has been relocated on the 800?
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:43 PM   #201
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David, you better hide, calling the new F700 a girls bike!! I just totaled my F650GS and may be looking at the new one.
Dan in GP.
Sorry to hear about your 650, Dan. Here's hoping you walked away unscathed.

As for the 700, there's no doubt but that in your hands it will look muy macho.

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Old 08-02-2012, 07:27 PM   #202
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David, I can't stop laughing!!! Yeah, Muy Macho!! I did get a broken bone in my left hand and some bruises, so won't be riding for a few months. Talked to Craig today about the new F700, looks like its a few months away anyway. Take care!

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Old 08-04-2012, 09:47 AM   #203
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F700GS is the "cover bike" of August BMW MOA Mag.

Just got home from my summer tour so have not read it yet, but the
F700GS is the "cover bike" of the August issue of BMW MOA Magazine.
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:44 PM   #204
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What the hell is the this thread doing on page two?

Slackers.

Any pricing info?
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:49 PM   #205
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I agree. No pricing info but my dealer said the comfort seat is not something you can specify in the build....you have to add it on after delivery.

Lame, but that's all I got.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:29 PM   #206
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Reading the August BMW MOA article on the new F700GS/F800GS it's not very long ... but it does say:

"both have the new 2-channel ABS for the first time" ....

Can someone explain or point me to an explanation of how this is better?

As a point of interest it claims "road ready" weights of 471lbs / 460lbs
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:26 AM   #207
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"both have the new 2-channel ABS for the first time" ....
I'm not an expert, but I think the number of channels refers to whether the ABS system has independent control of each wheel. On a motorcycle, a 1-channel system would, after sensing lockup, release both brakes. A 2-channel system can modulate each wheel independently. I know this is the sort of terminology used on cars where 4-channel systems are now common.

But I'm a bit surprised they're only now putting a 2-channel system on this bike.

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Old 08-12-2012, 03:29 PM   #208
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I thought that was the way it worked now (only the one that locked, not both when one locks).

I guess I should test it.

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Old 08-12-2012, 06:07 PM   #209
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R12gs abs

I am pretty sure that one version of the ABS on the R1200gs will allow rear wheel to lockup at low speed for use in gravel. rear wheel steering, or whatever it is refered to.

As for the 2 channel, I do not know what this means. My R1200gs and my 1990 K100RS certainly had independent ABS for each wheel. It seems pretty unlikely that you would have ABS which released both wheels when one locks up.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:31 AM   #210
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Did a Google search and I think I found the answer to the 2-Channel motorcycle ABS question.

From this document...........
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv.../07-0312-O.pdf


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2-Channel ABS System - In this HECU (Hydraulic-Electronic Control Unit), two valves (an inlet valve and an outlet valve) per wheel circuit are responsible for modulation of the braking pressure at the wheel (Figure 5).



If ABS is activated, the inlet valve ensures that the actuating cylinder is hydraulically separated from the wheel brake. The outlet valve is opened in order to allow the hydraulic volume in the wheel brake to escape into the low pressure accumulator, thus reducing the braking force and allowing the wheel to reaccelerate. Once the wheel has reached the reference speed of the vehicle again, the outlet valve is closed and the inlet valve is reopened, so that the rider can again build up brake pressure at the wheel.

A hydraulic pump sucks the hydraulic volume out of the low pressure accumulator and feeds the actuating cylinder. The rider perceives the continuous build up and release of pressure as pulsation in the controls, informing him that ABS is active. The rider therefore is aware that he is at the brake-slip threshold.

The inlet valve is designed in such a manner that it is open in de-energized state, i.e. the hydraulic pressure is directed towards the brake. The outlet valve is closed when de-energized. If the ECU fails, the hydraulic pressure of the brake cylinder is therefore routed directly to the wheel brake, and the rider is notified of this by a warning lamp in the cockpit display.

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So in non technical terms, instead of one ABS control valve per wheel there are two valves.

Either way (1 or 2 channel) the ABS will only activate on the wheel that locks and not effect braking on the wheel that has not locked.


Hope that helps,


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