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Old 08-06-2012, 08:25 PM   #46
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Easy question, anyone who wears more than I do is an uptight safety dork, and anyone who wears less is an irresponsible idiot.
Such an easy question that you and others don't know how to answer it?

For those of you who confuse easy, the question isn't what you think about what others are doing, if you care what others think about you, or the effectiveness of any particular item..

The question was, what do you think the minimum is for ATG?
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:54 PM   #47
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Key word is the first one; "ALL".

If you're not wearing "ALL" of the gear, then you're not ATGATT.


If you're wearing "MOST" of the gear, that would be MOTGATT.

If you're wearing "SOME" of the gear, that would be SOTGATT.


Commuting to work, I'm MOTGATT. Helmet, boots, gloves, jacket. Jeans or Khakis.

On a hot-ass summer day, I'm SOTGATT. Helmet, boots, gloves. T-shirt, jeans.

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Old 08-06-2012, 09:45 PM   #48
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I've got such thick skin i can ride naked. lol
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:08 AM   #49
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I'm reading through the topic and I'm quite surprised what is considered as full gear in other parts of the world... I have a friend from Miami who used to study at my university in Poland, he was shocked that I always wear full gear (codura mc pants and jacket with protectors, mc boots, protector gloves and helmet. When the weather gets warmer, so around 25C, 80F for all of you that use pagan imperial units , I switch to kevlar jeans with protectors). I don't really get driving in a tshirt or shorts. Jeans, a sweater and a helmet are hardly any protection...

I won't preach to anybody what protection should they wear, but I just find it... surprising. Maybe it's a case of a different climate, with temperatures 30+ it gets really warm.

Btw. a question to the people driving without full face helmets, I always wandered how does work when You hit those bigger, juicy bugs, you know, that hit like a rock and splat like an egg Getting one of those on the visor is not pleasant, but getting hit in the face must be a charm
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:42 AM   #50
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Full protection is a large metal cage supported by a wheel at each of its four corners.

Anything less than that is not "All" the protection you can possibly use and you are unnecessarily taking risks with your safety.

From there on it's just a matter of degree.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:02 AM   #51
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Hammer Run crashes and a close call from Chris Shafer on Vimeo.


the last speed you can see on the video is upper 20's...

It didn't hurt _at_all_ and trust me I've hit shit allot faster. Now tell me how that would feel with out armor?
Been there and done that...= a little bit more bruised than you but, that's about all. (and I always wear more gear off-road than on road as I expect to be pushing the envelope and therefore, screw up more.)
You're also off-road vs tarmac...baby trees and dirt are MUCH more forgiving than tarmac and telephone poles.

Honestly, although I've never been to a track, I'd also wear more gear there for the same reasons = I'd be pushing my limits.
On the streets, I don't push the limits or my luck as I equate it to playing Russian Roulet with 5 bullets loaded in the six-shooter vs 1.

For the streets (to get back on topic) my minimum wear is Boots without laces, gloves, long pants (don't need surprise bees sneaking up and stinging my nuts) shirt and a helmet (mostly for it's eye protection).
Applying my riding philosophy STRICTLY to myself, if I have a get off on road, I'll have worse things to worry about than road rash.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:36 AM   #52
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Full protection is a large metal cage supported by a wheel at each of its four corners.

Anything less than that is not "All" the protection you can possibly use and you are unnecessarily taking risks with your safety.

From there on it's just a matter of degree.


Full Protection is not getting out of bed in the morning.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:29 AM   #53
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... a question to the people driving without full face helmets, I always wandered how does work when You hit those bigger, juicy bugs, you know, that hit like a rock and splat like an egg Getting one of those on the visor is not pleasant, but getting hit in the face must be a charm
The very worst I have ever experienced was a very large and very angry bee that somehow got past my full-face shield and on down inside the back of my shirt inside my zippered jacket. So, I guess this would have been my only other option that day ...

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Full Protection is not getting out of bed in the morning.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:33 AM   #54
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The very worst I have ever experienced was a very large and very angry bee that somehow got past my full-face shield and on down inside the back of my shirt inside my zippered jacket. So, I guess this would have been my only other option that day ...
I guess this is the worlds way of saying FYYFF...
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:36 AM   #55
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My ATG..

Cordura jacket and pants with CE armor
Full face helmet (just can't stand the taste of bugs)
Leather or Cordura gloves
Above-the-ankle leather boots

In higher risk situations, I add a hard back protector and better gloves. Will be adding track leather to the pile of options soon.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:49 AM   #56
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Full protection is a large metal cage supported by a wheel at each of its four corners.

Anything less than that is not "All" the protection you can possibly use and you are unnecessarily taking risks with your safety.

From there on it's just a matter of degree.
Gear equals protection for a motorcycle. No one mentioned cars. If taken to your extreme, we should all be in a protective bubble and never leave the house. Apples to Cantelopes here!

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Old 08-07-2012, 05:53 AM   #57
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... (just can't stand the taste of bugs) ...
I had to learn to keep my lips parted slightly so the clenched teeth could take the impact while the tongue pressed behind them kept the juice from coming through ...
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:55 AM   #58
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Gear equals protection for a motorcycle. No one mentioned cars. If taken to your extreme, we should all be in a protective bubble and never leave the house. Apples to Cantelopes here!

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What wear a antelope , lol
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Get into a casket
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I thought the rider wore the gear not the motorcycle

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Old 08-07-2012, 06:02 AM   #59
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Are any of you guys road bicyclists or mountain bicyclists?

If so do you cover every body part and if not, why not?
Mountain biker here.

I wear a helmet - not even a full face helmet. I wear gloves (mostly for grip when I’m sweating) and biking shoes for clipless pedals. Otherwise, it’s shorts and short sleeves in the summer. But, what I ride is technical single track. Dirt doesn’t remove skin at the speeds I’m going. There are lots of trees, but no amount of Kevlar is going to prevent broken bones if I hit them at speed.

There’s really no comparison between the two – other than they both happen to have two wheels.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #60
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Mountain biker here.

I wear a helmet - not even a full face helmet. I wear gloves (mostly for grip when I’m sweating) and biking shoes for clipless pedals. Otherwise, it’s shorts and short sleeves in the summer. But, what I ride is technical single track. Dirt doesn’t remove skin at the speeds I’m going. There are lots of trees, but no amount of Kevlar is going to prevent broken bones if I hit them at speed.

There’s really no comparison between the two – other than they both happen to have two wheels.
Possibly not much comparsion between moutain biking and motorcycles but I don't see much difference between road biking and motorcycles. Helmets aside, most ATGATT advocates include the need for skin protection against road rash.

So my question should have been better asked by sticking with riders of road bicycles. All the serious road bikers I see are in Lycra or something similar with almost as much skin exposed as covered and helmets that provide no more protection than motorcycle half-helmets.

I totally understand the need for lightweight while racing or less coverage because of heat, both ambient and caloric.

I could careless what anyone wears but it seems a little hypocritical if an ATGATT motorcyclist also rides road bicycles without similar levels of protection. And if they do, at what point does their motorcycle gear become a costume similar to what the "pirate crowd" wears. If protection is so important why not on bicycles too.

Of course if there are no road bicyclists who are also ATGATT motorcyclists, my question is mute, but that's not my suspicion.
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