New BC helmet laws June 1st.

[the kaz]

Originally Posted by Steve G.

Vested interests in the system do NOT want the gravy train to stop

being a kinda ex-supplier to BC health system I can say this is 100% true in all the sectors of health system......

[KLOC]

Originally Posted by RexBucks

I also carry travel insurance so that I am prepared for the possible consequences of my decisions.

Carrying travel insurance is the responsible thing to do for yourself and your family, but don't confuse it with taking full and complete responsibility for the consequences of your decisions. Insurance is a hedging device that distributes the costs of consequences with others. As such, it cannot be used as the basis of your argument. In fact, it directly contradicts your entire premise.

There is but one way to take full and complete responsibility for the consequences of your decisions: incur the costs as they are are realized, no hedging, no cost-sharing, none of that.

If the costs exceed your ability to pay, tough darts. Of course, bankruptcy cannot be considered a valid "out" for those who profess to be assuming full and complete responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

Avail yourself of doctors, nurses, EMT's, firefighters and you must remit to the public purse a fraction of the costs associated with training, certifying and maintaining these resources.

If you are not willing to incur the total costs of freedom and pay the full freight associated with the consequences of your decisions, then don't say you are. Besides, you can't. In first-world countries you simply cannot assume full liability for your own person. It's impossible and to state otherwise is akin to barking through fence posts.

[RexBuck]

Originally Posted by KLOC

Carrying travel insurance is the responsible thing to do for yourself and your family, but don't confuse it with taking full and complete responsibility for the consequences of your decisions. Insurance is a hedging device that distributes the costs of consequences with others. As such, it cannot be used as the basis of your argument. In fact, it directly contradicts your entire premise.

There is but one way to take full and complete responsibility for the consequences of your decisions: incur the costs as they are are realized, no hedging, no cost-sharing, none of that.

If the costs exceed your ability to pay, tough darts. Of course, bankruptcy cannot be considered a valid "out" for those who profess to be assuming full and complete responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

Avail yourself of doctors, nurses, EMT's, firefighters and you must remit to the public purse a fraction of the costs associated with training, certifying and maintaining these resources.

If you are not willing to incur the total costs of freedom and pay the full freight associated with the consequences of your decisions, then don't say you are. Besides, you can't. In first-world countries you simply cannot assume full liability for your own person. It's impossible and to state otherwise is akin to barking through fence posts.

Huh? This argument is inane. Buying insurance to protect myself from financial catastrophe has nothing to do with taking responsibility for my actions - I will have to pay regardless - it just covers my costs in the event they are incurred. The insurance isn't free - I pay for it. It's a choice I make.

So, when I leave Canada, I am paying the full freight for any accident I’m in. However, I have made the choice to contract with someone else to cover my medical expenses if I get banged up. I pay for the insurance whether or not I incur any expenses.

Don’t make the mistake of thinking the Canadian health care system is some sort of insurance – it has nothing to do with insurance. It is a government program funded by the miniscule “premiums” we pay and a massive pile money paid by taxpayers. It requires that people do not take responsibility for their actions – everybody has equal access and is treated equally – nobody is charged for diagnosis and treatment. Nobody is charged extra for leading high risk lifestyles.

Oh, and I do pay the doctors, EMT's etc (when I’m outside Canada) and they in turn pay for any public cost associated with their accreditation . . . they pay taxes on the fees I pay them. Incidentally, this statement sounds vaguely similar to an argument put forward by a certain Presidential candidate.

So, I do accept the total costs of my “freedom” when I’m out of the country. When I’m in the country, the current law requires that I do not accept financial responsibility for my “freedom” but, I would gladly change that. I would love to take responsibility for my “freedom” in Canada and pay for my healthcare providing the government exits the healthcare business and reduces taxes by the amount that healthcare was costing. I would be way ahead.

[panorton]

WORST. THREAD. EVER!

[DaveBall]

Time to close the thread and move on.

[chevmekanik]

Originally Posted by DaveBall

Time to close the thread and move on.

+1 shit can this thread !!!!!!!
enough he said - she said!
get back to arguing about oils and tires

[SCQTT]

KTMs are so much better, you BMW guys are idiots....seriously.

They stick out for aircooling....now they are still going to stick out when the are watercooled?

Orange is the only way to go!


Or maybe a KLR.

Can I run a car tire on the back of my KLR?

[chevmekanik]

See.... much better already!

[DaveBall]

I agree, now about that colour orange. What exact hue are we talking about? Maybe a hint of burnt umber or more of a pure pumpkin orange, say about 2 weeks before ripe?

[RexBuck]

Hmmm, maybe add something to the discussion or

[chevmekanik]

start having a valid discussion or

[Steve G.]

Originally Posted by DaveBall

I agree, now about that colour orange. What exact hue are we talking about? Maybe a hint of burnt umber or more of a pure pumpkin orange, say about 2 weeks before ripe?

Never been able to figure out the bitching that goes on about certain threads. These threads are like tv stations, you don't have to watch it,,,,the thread bothers you, don't read it.

So instead, you aim to 'fix' the thread by running off about basically,,,,,stupid fluff??? Didn't realize the level of conversation should be this low brow basic, but I guess if everyone wants to play fluff talk, I'm happy to join in.