ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Old's Cool > Airheads
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-16-2012, 11:31 AM   #1
DeutschMark OP
Full Tilt Boogie
 
DeutschMark's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Grand Haven
Oddometer: 271
Mikuni Jetting

Does anyone have the jetting specs from their Mikuni carbs, specifically VM34? I'm interested in comparing what I'm using, specifically to what Rocky Point Cycle has in their kit. Here is what I'm currently running with dual plugs and the needle second from the top.

6DH4 Needle
2.5 Slide
185 Main
PO (159) Needle Jet
35 Pilot Jet

My main jet is probably a little rich. I think the 32mm Bings used a 145. The bike runs strong and snappy in this configuration but I think I'm losing some power on the top end.
__________________
89 BMW R100RS
97 Suzuki DR350
And away we go!
DeutschMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2012, 12:54 PM   #2
Kai Ju
Beastly Adventurer
 
Kai Ju's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: So Cal
Oddometer: 1,715
Here is what I'm running on a 77 R100/7 in the VM 38's. Stock (Repro ) mufflers, stock airfilter and airbox.

Description Spec
Main Jet 210
Pilot Jet 25
Needle Jet 166 P-8
Jet Needle 6DH3 middle groove
Slide Cut Away 2
Main Air Jet 0.5
Needle Valve Ass'y 3.3
Idle air screw 1 turn from seated


I started with a 17.5 pilot which was way too lean and a 200 main, which felt too rich. Going to a 190 made it worse while a 210 made it better. So that's what I'm running now.
I compared the stock Bing mainjet to the 200 Mikuni jet by inserting a very shallow taper reamer and the Bing mainjet, a 145 I believe, is actually larger in hole diameter than the 200 Mikuni mainjet.
Kai Ju is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2012, 04:03 PM   #3
DeutschMark OP
Full Tilt Boogie
 
DeutschMark's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Grand Haven
Oddometer: 271
Thanks Kai. I now vaguely recall that Mikuni jets are rated differently.

I did some searching and found out that Mikuni jets are rated at cc/min rather than actual diameter of the hole in the jet. So a Mikuni 185 flows 185cc/min.

Still looking for more VM34 combinations to compare.
__________________
89 BMW R100RS
97 Suzuki DR350
And away we go!
DeutschMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 06:51 PM   #4
DeutschMark OP
Full Tilt Boogie
 
DeutschMark's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Grand Haven
Oddometer: 271
I ordered up some main jets in 170, 160, and 150 sizes to give me a rough idea of what I was looking at. In the 170 package, I received a 180 along with the 170. I have since received the correct size but I haven't tried it yet.

I immediately noted a change in the engine note and feel with the 160. Redline came easier in 3rd and 4th gears with a more eager note. When I tried the 150's, I noticed the upper rpm response was dull and and rpm increased when I backed off from WOT as the mixture richened. Definitely too lean.

I'm going to order some 165's to see if anything changes. My riding season temperature in Michigan ranges from the low 40's to the 90's so the 165's might like the cool, oxygen dense, late fall air.

Does anyone have any other jetting combinations they'd like to share??
__________________
89 BMW R100RS
97 Suzuki DR350
And away we go!
DeutschMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 08:49 PM   #5
R100LT
Chasing 11
 
R100LT's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Donnybrook Western Australia
Oddometer: 625
What model are you running these on Mark ???
__________________
BMW R100LT 93 BMW R100RS 91 BMW K1100LT SE 94 76 R90S
R100LT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 06:25 AM   #6
DeutschMark OP
Full Tilt Boogie
 
DeutschMark's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Grand Haven
Oddometer: 271
'89 1000cc twin-plug 9.4:1
__________________
89 BMW R100RS
97 Suzuki DR350
And away we go!
DeutschMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 06:35 AM   #7
R100LT
Chasing 11
 
R100LT's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Donnybrook Western Australia
Oddometer: 625
Did you get the carbs from Rocky Point Cycle.

That will my project sometime next year with my 91 RS. Thinking of the 34mm ... 336 Cam ... Dual Plugged and the 9.4:1 also.
__________________
BMW R100LT 93 BMW R100RS 91 BMW K1100LT SE 94 76 R90S
R100LT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 07:29 AM   #8
DeutschMark OP
Full Tilt Boogie
 
DeutschMark's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Grand Haven
Oddometer: 271
I bought them second hand for a song so I'm not sure where they originally came from. They ran great right out of the box. The VM34 is probably a little small for this application.

I'm running the Edelweiss/Scheffer asymmetrical camshaft.
__________________
89 BMW R100RS
97 Suzuki DR350
And away we go!
DeutschMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 09:11 AM   #9
elmontanero
Practicing...
 
elmontanero's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Oddometer: 1,647
You decide to rid yourself of those awfully small v34's let me know.

__________________
"And if we have food and covering, with these we shall be content."
elmontanero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 02:33 PM   #10
R100LT
Chasing 11
 
R100LT's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Donnybrook Western Australia
Oddometer: 625
I was thinking so getting 36 or 38 mm Dells myself ... I have a few months more of research to go before pulling the plug
__________________
BMW R100LT 93 BMW R100RS 91 BMW K1100LT SE 94 76 R90S
R100LT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2012, 08:47 AM   #11
Uncle Pollo
happy cachiporra
 
Uncle Pollo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Location: Albuquerque, Neue Messico
Oddometer: 47,395
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeutschMark View Post
Does anyone have the jetting specs from their Mikuni carbs, specifically VM34? I'm interested in comparing what I'm using, specifically to what Rocky Point Cycle has in their kit. Here is what I'm currently running with dual plugs and the needle second from the top.

6DH4 Needle
2.5 Slide
185 Main
PO (159) Needle Jet
35 Pilot Jet

My main jet is probably a little rich. I think the 32mm Bings used a 145. The bike runs strong and snappy in this configuration but I think I'm losing some power on the top end.
You are the only one that will know, because you are in your own air density ... the bike is running ... right?

Good ... now bend over and change jets and test.

Unless you have access to a dyno and a lot of money ... at least to me.

Nothing replaces a dyno, but is it going to be happy?

I have a 140 here at 2k meters over sea level on an r80. different bike. Don't go too much by what others do. If you think you are going too rich or too lean on full throttle test accordingly.

Go fast, pull clutch in and kill engine, coast to a stop, pull the plugs and read.
Uncle Pollo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2012, 08:48 AM   #12
Uncle Pollo
happy cachiporra
 
Uncle Pollo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Location: Albuquerque, Neue Messico
Oddometer: 47,395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Pollo View Post
You are the only one that will know, because you are in your own air density ... the bike is running ... right?

Good ... now bend over and change jets and test.

Unless you have access to a dyno and a lot of money ... at least to me.

Nothing replaces a dyno, but is it going to be happy?

I have a 140 here at 2k meters over sea level on an r80. different bike. Don't go too much by what others do. If you think you are going too rich or too lean on full throttle test accordingly.

Go fast, pull clutch in and kill engine, coast to a stop, pull the plugs and read.
and the jump from 145 to 180 is huge ... you would be blowing smoke everywhere if it was too rich.
Uncle Pollo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2012, 01:33 PM   #13
Airhead Wrangler
Adios Mexico
 
Airhead Wrangler's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Seattle, FINALLY
Oddometer: 6,338
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Pollo View Post
and the jump from 145 to 180 is huge ...
Actually it's not. Mikunis and bings use a different numbering system for jets. Bings use orifice diameter (not sure of units though), mikunis use flow (cc/min) at some arbitrary pressure difference.
__________________
R80ST Gets The HPN Treatment
Seattle to TDF on an airhead

Current rides: HPN #834, '93 R100GSPD "red rocket", '73 R75/5 Toaster mongrel, '80 Ducati Pantah 500SL, '92 DR350, '67 Honda SS50, '80 Honda Chaly.
Airhead Wrangler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2012, 01:48 PM   #14
DeutschMark OP
Full Tilt Boogie
 
DeutschMark's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Grand Haven
Oddometer: 271
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Pollo View Post
You are the only one that will know, because you are in your own air density ... the bike is running ... right?

Good ... now bend over and change jets and test.

Unless you have access to a dyno and a lot of money ... at least to me.

Nothing replaces a dyno, but is it going to be happy?

I have a 140 here at 2k meters over sea level on an r80. different bike. Don't go too much by what others do. If you think you are going too rich or too lean on full throttle test accordingly.

Go fast, pull clutch in and kill engine, coast to a stop, pull the plugs and read.
Look at the first post, the bike runs very well

That plug reading method hasn't worked for me in a while. The fuel is too highly refined to get much of a reading, at least for me.

As far as others are doing, it is always a good reference point but I'm not too stuck on it. Others can benefit with a baseline to work with also. I was PM'd some specs on another 1000cc twin spark that was very close to mine. The bike was set up by a well respected tuner.

No smoke was produced with the 210 main jets that came in the carbs. The twin plugs are very tolerant of jetting variations, that is why I'm curious about
other combinations.
__________________
89 BMW R100RS
97 Suzuki DR350
And away we go!
DeutschMark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2012, 07:14 PM   #15
Uncle Pollo
happy cachiporra
 
Uncle Pollo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Location: Albuquerque, Neue Messico
Oddometer: 47,395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Airhead Wrangler View Post
Actually it's not. Mikunis and bings use a different numbering system for jets. Bings use orifice diameter (not sure of units though), mikunis use flow (cc/min) at some arbitrary pressure difference.
20 something percent more flow. Baby steps.
Uncle Pollo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 11:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014